Refuting the Idea of Taliban

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  1. ibshambat

    ibshambat Banned

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    Taliban is regarded as an idea; which means that truly confronting the Taliban means confronting their ideology. The idea behind the Taliban is something like this: America and Israel are evil, and Muslims should destroy America and Israel and take over the world to make the whole world follow sharia. This idea can be highly contagious, and it is important that it be confronted at the idea level and in so doing reduce the need for military action.

    One way to do so is as follows: If not for America, then Afghanistan (where the idea of Taliban was put into fullest implementation) - and the rest of the world - would be following Communism. It was America that armed the mujaheddin, and without America's help Afghanistan would have succumbed to the Soviet Union. And had they succumbed to the Soviet Union, they would not be able to practice Islam period; whereas with America as the top-dog country they have the freedom to be as Muslim as they want to be for as long as they aren't killing Westerners in the process.

    Another part of confronting the idea of Taliban is the religious argument. If Allah really is omnipotent, and if he wants everyone to follow him, then he would be able to accomplish this himself without requiring the assistance of mortals. It makes no sense to fight for an omnipotent entity, as an omnipotent entity by definition can do whatever he wants to do. There is no possibility of helping an omnipotent being, and no sense of fighting for an omnipotent being, because an omnipotent being does not need your help.

    Furthermore, to avert people who stand to be attracted to the idea of Taliban, it merits showing the reality of their rule where they have ruled previously and are now. Afghanistan under the Taliban was the worst place in the world. Young girls were forced to marry old men and had sulfuric acid thrown in their faces if they weren't wearing burqa. Music was forbidden. The people were starving except the ones who made their money selling opium, and the cities and villages of Afghanistan were in ruins. However many problems come with American influence or the global economy, Taliban is much worse.

    As far as the Israel argument is concerned, it bears reminding that Israel provides a lot of benefit to the Middle Eastern countries, as it provides them with technologies, food and manufactures while also being a market for their products. The land that is Israel was bought from the Middle Eastern countries, and the Muslim people who lived there were compensated monetarily. Meanwhile the people from there who were displaced into neighboring Muslim countries were never accepted and never assimilated, and these people continue to undergo discrimination from their Muslim brothers. And while Israel has - irrigated deserts, Nobel Prize-winning scientists, and high levels of technological innovation - its Muslim neighbors (the half-Christian Lebanon excepted) remain ne'er-do-wells whose people continue to live in poverty and brutality. Poverty and brutality that they blame on Israel and America, but that are a direct consequences of their own choices, Allah or no Allah.

    And as for the claims that this land was stolen from its inhabitants: Muslims stole that land from people who lived there before.

    Intellectual solutions cost much less in money and bloodshed than military solutions; which is why they should be applied wherever possible. Mental effort must be extended to finding ways to counteract the Taliban idea and in so doing to warn people vulnerable to Taliban indoctrination away from it. The more this is done, the greater the savings in lives and money. This is one effort to that effect.
     
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    Taliban expanding their control of Afghan territory...
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    Taliban insurgents expanding territorial control in Afghanistan
    Tuesday 20th October, 2015 - Taliban insurgents in Afghanistan are expanding their reach and territorial command and are now in effective control of at least 36 districts after overrunning another district in the northwestern province of Faryab where at least 22 policemen have been killed in clashes, security officials said.
    See also:

    Taliban Kill Afghan Official
    Thursday 22nd October, 2015 - Taliban insurgents gunned down a district administrator along with a bodyguard in eastern Afghanistan's militant-infested Ghazni province.
     
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    Taliban surge in Afghanistan...
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    Why are the Taliban resurgent in Afghanistan?
    4 Jan.`16 - The Afghan government and its US and Nato allies have been fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan for the past 14 years. But, despite the killing of thousands of militants, the insurgent group has retaken big chunks of the country.
     
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    Rather silly post. Israel doesn't do anything for the neighbors... Read Clean Break Strategy.. Their thing is to keep the neighbors impoverished and backwards... They think they have the right to control infrastructure development in other countries.... while they remain on the US dole.
     
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    More false Anti Israel propaganda.

    Those people keep themselves impoverished and backwards and their rich relatives in the OPEC nations do nothing to help their impoverished cousins.
    I wonder why ?
    Blame Israel !
     
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    "The land that is Israel was bought from the Middle Eastern countries, and the Muslim people who lived there were compensated monetarily. "

    This does not take into account Israel during King Davids time, or King Saul, or the times of the prophet Samuel, by then the Nation of Israel was well established, predating the Balfour declaration by a thousand years or so !
     
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    Where to start ... You are nothing but a resound of American propaganda, and it suits your argument well because it was tailored to glorify the enemy unquestionably to permit a country where the people never revolt but steadily remain in control to fight wars

    The Taliban despises consumerism, capitalism, and the likes. The Taliban has been glorified as a villain and invented by government airwaves for the people to ease their minds in fighting a made-up war.

    Israel and America teamed up to blackmail Iraq to tack back the Middle East. Judaism is about worse than Islam, and commercialism you call "freedom" really means the right to get naked, talk sh*t, rival, hate, demand people tolerate temptation and abuse, work work work and buy buy buy. Marriage becomes a sales pitch and divorce an ultimatum of manipulation. You aren't free

    The Nobel prize is Jewish bought and owned. Of course Israel is glorified. The nobel prize has nothing to do with reality

    The Muslims don't want music to be used to control people; they don't despise it entirely. They were blackmailed, and they have every right to defend themselves

    You know your arguments are pathetic, Scripted, and have an agenda.

    FYI if you think no one has been assaulted with acid or mangled in any way in America, you are mistaken. This isn't a Muslim problem, and the notion that only Muslims have violent crimes is a lie.

    As for fulfilling God's work—you are ridiculous. An omnipotent being doesn't have us here for nothing. We are the arms, ears, and eyes. If believers don't fight the unbelievers, the power of the world will be overtaken by those who reject God, and their craving for power will not be satiated. That is a fact. They want to deprive believers' glory and power, while believers want to glorify. You cannot coexist, because unbelievers have a way different view of the way reality will be, they'll judge and blackmail believers like you then play the victim, and birth children who will suffer in their midst unable to live a life of belief and equality
     
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    Now who is spouting propaganda ?
    You are a Yassar Arrafat wannabe lackey.
     
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    By 1948 the Zionists owned about 6% of the land.. The rest of it they took.

    The nation os Israel didn't last long.. It split and for most of its history was dominated by foreigners as a vassal state.
     
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    The Balfour Declaration is meaningless as the Sovereign Nation of Israel predates it, circa 1050 BCE, when King Saul was appointed as Israel's first King.

    Of course if you want to forget how ancient Jerusalem is and all it's buildings dating back before the Prophet Samuel and others that built ancient Jerusalem a brick at a time over a span of centuries in order to disenfranchise Jews, continue on with your strong delusions, History and carbon dating shows otherwise.
     

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