Registration and licensing reduce sales of guns to criminals

"In cities located in states with both mandatory registration and licensing systems (five cities), a mean of 33.7% of crime guns were first sold by in-state gun dealers, compared with 72.7% in cities that had either registration or licensing but not both (seven cities), and 84.2% in cities without registration or licensing (13 cites)....

"States with registration and licensing systems appear to do a better job than other states of keeping guns initially sold within the state from being recovered in crimes. Proximity to states without these laws, however, may limit their impact."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1730734/

So mandatory registration and licensing laws do have a clear impact. The combination of the two led to the best result at the state level. However, it would be better to have nationwide registration and licensing laws. If your boat is sinking then you need to fix all of the leaks not just some of the leaks.

 

If you will study Chicago crime stats you will find that most guns used in crimes are five years old or more.
That means that most of the guns used in crimes in Chicago are obtained from family and friends or are stolen and then sold into criminal hands.

It simply doesn't matter who first sold the gun - it *WAS* probably a gun dealer. Think about it, if only 33% of crime guns are first sold by gun dealers then WHO THE HELL ARE THE OTHER 67% that are the first seller of a gun?

 

How many decades will it take for the united states to successfully register every last one of the three hundred to five hundred million firearms in existence in the united states, in order for the proposal to be accurately tested?

 

yeah they have an impact, they harass honest people, disarm victims, tie up police resources and are stepping stones to even more idiotic restrictions. National registration is unconstitutional and should be opposed by anyone who values the constitution and their freedom. since criminals cannot be punished for failing to obtain a license or failing to register firearms they possess, its clear this scheme is designed to harass the law abiding and not criminals

 

Fallacious all or nothing logic. We can already see that registration and licensing is doing some good. The more guns that are registered and the more gun owners licensed the better the results will be. Will we ever reach a point where 100% of guns are registered? Maybe not but we can still bring the murder victimization rate down.

 

People are being victimized by gun violence everyday but you are more concerned about the inconvenience of taking a few minutes to fill out a few forms. You might want to seriously question your priorities.

 

....And YOU might want to pursue a Constitutional Amendment to legally pursue what you want, which otherwise is offensive to the Constitution and to the liberty of the American people. Go ahead.... I'll wait.

 

The Supreme Court already said that laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms are okay. Do try to keep up.

 

He's right. Filling out a form. No one is asking for your right arm

 

...and the Supreme Court has ruled that slavery is okay and that corporations have the same rights as people. Doesn't make it right, or moral, or in line with the intent of the people who founded this nation.

Laws which restrict my rights when I have committed no crime are morally indefensible.

 

Then don't show your ID to the TSA agent

 

it won't stop with that "minor inconvenience" you have already said your goal is far less people with guns. we see what you want and we oppose your stepping stones to a society where only Democrats and criminals can own guns. You want to impose inconveniences on others and when those don't stop crime, you want more and more and more. Most of the people victimized by gun violence are felons/ none of the laws you support will do a damn thing to keep felons from getting guns

 

do you expect ANY of us to believe that is the end goal for YOU. that all you want is to make private sales subject to a silly background check? Do you REALLY think we believe that someone who spends as much time as you do whining about gun ownership is only seeking background checks which have no hope of doing anything positive?

OH WAIT, you already said you wanted registration

You already want "assault weapon bans"

etc etc etc

 

Can't read the whole article...I did find it interesting that the first source is about Canadian gun laws.

 

'nationwide registration and licensing laws'....so you support nationwide carry reciprocity?

 

the supreme court has made many bad decisions, some of which are blatantly contrary to the obvious intent of the founders and the very words of the constitution . we push to get justices who will overturn such crap

 

The nationwide average is over 11 years.

 

If every owner was licensed and all guns registered with UBC's? Yes

 

No thanks, we'll keep steamrolling the gun control morons.

Thanks though.

 

so you are saying UBC's are guns being registered? you are either dishonest or completely ignorant on how the check works. it only ascertains if the buyer has a clean record. the gun being sold is not "registered"

 

I'd like to see politicians advocating gun restrictions to be tried for treason

 

somehow I doubt that...as for licenses ,checks, registration etc, I witness what that accomplishes on our highways every day

 

Imagine how much worse it could be on the highways

 

The above is factually incorrect. The states of New York and California have mandatory firearms registration laws in force, and yet they constantly complain about firearms being smuggled in from neighboring states, that they are unable to trace.

Pray tell how? Registered and licensed firearms can still be used for committing murder, even mass murder, as the Newtown incident demonstrated. Unless a firearm is recovered at the scene of a crime, it being registered to a particular individual amounts to nothing. If the serial number is obliterated, registration amounts to nothing. If the firearm is reported as stolen, registration amounts to nothing. The proposed solutions, licensing and registration, are too easily violated, for them to amount to anything constructive.

Who exactly is responsible for the murders? Who exactly is required to fill out government paperwork?

 

Not so. It means the state has a list of all the guns, who owns them, and where they are.
The anti-gun side plans to make excellent use of this information.