Religious Bigotry

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  1. AlifQadr

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    usfan, I am well aware that certain people are unaware and mystified over activities which are natural which is when the word phenomena comes into the conversation, I am well aware of such reality. When I was a young boy, I was mystified of many things, until I gained knowledge of them, which demystified said things in my mind. What I was saying with the two previous posts, is that because there are people who know about creation, those same people throughout their life course, are not mystified about anything, because everything in existence, has a rational and scientific explanation. I have found that Occidental man, has the least knowledge of all and because of his influence over the populations of the earth, has in turn diminished the mental viability of all of those who view him as God, which is why many of the prophets spoke ill of deification, due to the already existent and coming influence (keep in mind I am referring to the time of the prophets) of The Occident.
    Prophet Dawud (David) made this statement for a reason, and the reason is because there is no God or Devil outside of Man and Mankind, so the prophets were not against deification, they were against the arrogance that some engender among themselves, because of certain "favors" of knowledge and wisdom from their understanding of said knowledge. I heard it all of the time, the sickening arrogance of certain Europeans due to their advancements that were gotten through not so stellar means.
     
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  2. AlifQadr

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    usfan, the biggest anti-Christians are Christians themselves, which is the same thought that I hold for many others. To call presenting factual historical events as hate or anti whatever is not an honest response, which goes in line with what I posted in the posting about fear. It is borderline fear or the of presumption of losing an artificial ranking that motivates most defenses of any topic under discussion or critique. It is true historically that Christians have defensively opposed certain ideas because the presentation, entry and acceptance of those ideas delegitimizes certain key tenets of the doctrine and system of Christianity.
     
  3. WillReadmore

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    I'm identifying something OTHER than the individual law breakers.

    The CHURCH has worked to protect these sexual predators. It's been a concerted and coordinated effort.

    THAT is coming from the highest reaches of the religion.
     
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    I don't at all believe they are commanded in the Bible.

    I DO believe that the religion as practiced has changed with respect to those issues. And, some of what has changed has been directly mandated - the directive that wives "obey your husband".

    You're being selective in what you see as coming from religion - you want to claim the acts of man as being based in religion if the acts are "good" and not based in religion when the acts are bad!!

    Think about that.

    Our western history is that of dividing government from religion and then working on its improvement.

    Religion is about duty. It's not about individual rights.
     
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    Just a few posts back you made cracks about professors!
     
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    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Why do people of religious faith insist on assigning a "faith" to people who do not believe in supernatural beings looking over us? It is not faith to not believe in things for which there is no evidence, the faith involves the do believing in such things without evidence to support it.


    faith

    a(1): belief and trust in and loyalty to God

    (2): belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion

    b(1): firm belief in something for which there is no proof "clinging to the faith that her missing son would one day return"
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/faith

    Nothing about atheist in there.
     
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  7. Kode

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    ENTIRELY different. We don't worship the subject of our belief that energy, carbon-based molecules, and the necessary other conditions created the first primitive life forms. And we DON'T attribute it with a history of performing magic that conflicts with what we see and experience.
     
  8. usfan

    usfan Well-Known Member

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    I don't believe there are human beings endowed with complete understanding of all the mysteries of the universe. If this is your personal claim, please pardon my skepticism.

    It is my observation, that human beings are lost little lambs, stumbling around in the dark, trying to make sense of the world around them.

    Examples? What ideas has 'Christianity' opposed, because it conflicted with key tenets of their faith?

    Slavery?
    Divine right of kings?
    A special annointing and authority of priests?
    Relative Morality?

    That is a sweeping generalization, and a false accusation. You are accusing the little non denominal church down the road of harboring and approving of pedophiles? Martin Luther? Paul the Apostle? John Calvin? Martin Luther King, jr? Everyone connected to a 'Christian church!', has promoted and defended pedophilia, to you?

    That is absurd, as is your argument that individual sins or aberrations are because of the ideology. Christianity is NOT responsible for the sin and depravity of man. It is here to provide healing and redemption FROM sin, not empowerment TO sin.

    The irony here, is the religious bigotry expressed by self righteous atheists, who don't even have a basis for believing in the concept of 'sin'.

    You have proof that there is no God?

    Why are some atheists triggered by the concept that they have a belief? Everyone has an opinion, belief, or supposition about the Big Questions in the universe. Why are some triggered to denialism by that?
    Of course not. Your beliefs are wise, factual, and sensible, while other's are stupid, superstitious, and hateful.

    That is the basis for religious bigotry, and how it is usually expressed.
     
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    You don't prove negatives and that is not believing IN something as in a god or a unicorn. Why are some theist trigger by the concept that you don't have to believe in supernatural beings in order to be a moral and ethical person.
     
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    Atheist don't.

    : the service and worship of God or the supernatural
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion

    Why is it so important to you to assign a "religion" to those who do not believe in religions?
     
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    Do you realize what you just said? You said that provable facts, experience, and scientific conclusions are bigotry.
     
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    Not really.
    The Rabi was or prophet also had power over Gods leaders. Proven by the importance of the temples built for them.
    Solomons Temple being just one.
    Kingdoms who didn't live by Gods Laws were lost or destroyed.
     
  13. AlifQadr

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    Things promoted by Christians as well as hated by the same:
    Freedom of thought and knowledge that is easily proven (hated by Christians)
    The Earth being a sphere (hated by Christians)
    Knowledge which was known by Man since the beginning of Man trillions of years ago (Hated by Christians).
    The reality that Isa, whom was substituted with Perseus, who did not come to save the world, but to condemn it (Hated by Christians).
    The eating of the pig, porcine or swine, then lying on Isa saying that he authorized its eating when he did no such thing. When he said he cleanses all flesh, he was talking about people becoming righteous when they accept living accordingly to the principles of righteousness. when he "cast' the evil out of a women and put them into a pig, he stated, "filthy spirits for a filthy animal." Never has any prophet or messenger eaten porcine, and neither did they advocate others eating the flesh of the swine. This is something that a righteous man does not do (Hated by Christians). Martin Luther King, Jr.? Where does he come into the discussion other than him being a tool of the FBI and US federal government agents and agencies? (He was reviled by Christians and love by other Christians because he promoted keeping Black people in a servile position). As for Paul, it is known that Paul lied and never knew Isa, which is why he is promoted over Isa. Oh yes it is responsible for promoting sin, the sin of covetousness, self-aggrandizement and a flawed ideology, claiming that said ideology is from the Most High God. All of the following are found within Christianity:
    Slavery? - Promoted by The popes of Rome, the Archbishops of Canterbury, Protestant ministers and Deacons, etc.
    Divine right of kings? - Pope of Rome, Archbishops of Canterbury, etc.
    A special anointing and authority of priests? - Do I really have to repeat the upper responses?
    Relative Morality? - Black people are born soulless and cursed because of some fable and lie about a curse from Noah to Ham, Blacks are unmitigated savages, anyone not a Christian is labelled as the same . . .
    It is because of these facts, why I question the sanity of any Black person who is a Christian.
    Knowing these facts, it begs the question: What is Christianity really about, when it has a history of opposing people being free and ruling themselves? I know that it is about world domination and subjugating others by using is doctrine to place mental chains on others by keeping them from freedom of thought. And yes, there are some who use Islam and other things with the same wicked agenda, which is part of the problem. It is time to make the Path that has been obscured and made to appear crooked, straight by eradicating ALL elements of said obscurity.
     
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    I said no such thing. You, however equate your BELIEFS, as 'provable facts, experience, and scientific conclusions'. THAT is presumption, and is the source of religious bigotry. YOUR beliefs are 'wise, factual, and sensible, while other's are stupid, superstitious, and hateful.'

    In reality, your beliefs of atheistic naturalism are just beliefs, with no scientific corroboration. By pretending your beliefs are 'proven fact!', you can justify treating those who believe differently with contempt. They are stupid and backward, while you are current and imbued with special insight.

    AKA, religious bigotry.
     
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    Yes, really. When it comes to the Divine Right of Kings I'm not talking about the OT. I'm talking about the NT: Romans 13. The clear meaning of the text here is the Divine Right of Kings. Even if you disagree with the clear meaning, the Reformers did not.
     
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    ..this is a very good example of promoting a false caricature, to smear an opposition ideology. You obviously believe in Islam, and promote it, by casting demeaning aspersions toward Christianity.. your ideological enemy.

    These are just propaganda narratives, and do not reflect the ideology of biblical Christianity at all.

    ..funny how you and the atheists have the same anti-christian narratives.

    This thread is about expressions of religious bigotry.. what causes them, and how they are presented. It is not topical for me, here, to refute all the false narratives and smears you have accused Christianity of. But they are false accusations and lies, and do not reflect the ideals of biblical Christianity, at all.
     
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    Moving the goal posts, much?
    We were not talking about bases for morality, but BELIEFS, in the Big Questions..

    I stand by my statement, which you have dodged:

    EVERYONE has a 'religious' belief. Even atheism or agnosticism is a statement of faith.. a belief about the nature of the universe. You can relabel it, but the basic concept is a belief or opinion about unknown mysteries of life.
     
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    Lies, Lies and MORE Lies. I do not need to negatively characterize anything nor any one because such is done sufficiently by those who deny historical reality, and promote a false doctrine of belief. Remember, beliefs are subject to change when factual evidence is presented. Nothing that I noted about Christianity is false, not in the least. I learned much about Christianity back in my twenties and I went to source materials, such as The Catholic encyclopedia. It is not my fault that the doctrine that has been spread the world over through, invasion, conquest and slavery matches exactly what is warned of in Revelations, about "He who deceiveth the entire world." As an aside: Why was Christmas, Easter and Halloween illegal on Turtle Island since the days of the Pilgrims, up until circa 1846? Yet and still you Christians claim that what you have is from "God", to which I ask the question, "Which one (God)?"
     
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    Yet this is, ironically, what you do.

    You are illustrating the OP with your false narratives and smears, that have no basis in fact.

    My goal here was not to get in a shouting match with religious indoctrinees, who claim THEIR beliefs are the 'true way' of enlightenment. My goal was to expose bigotry from one religious opinion toward another, by false caricatures, presumption of Absolute Truth, Science!, or some other mental manipulation to pretend superiority over the stupid, backward, subhuman ideology that is raged against.
     
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    I have never claimed that the manner in which I view life and its circumstances is the true way, outside for anyone outside of myself. So you have lied on me, yet again. In all honesty, I do not care what people think, so long as the same do not attempt to infringe upon my rights of existence as a Man. Unfortunately, this society has a history, especially initiated and ignited by one Ronald Wilson Reagan and the same psychopathy has carried on to the present occupant of the White House. As stated in past posts, I really would not give a darn, had it not been for me living in this country my entire life and being that I am HERE and am not going NO OTHER PLACE. I am concerned because I see what has been taking place in These United States of [North] America since my early teen years, in regard to religion, A1 and the complete disregard of the Constitution of the United States in that aspect.
    As to engaging in a shouting match, I do not travel on the road of intentional aggression.
     
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    Atheism, by definition, is not a belief system. It is the lack of belief in a god or gods.
     
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    Nope. Nope. Zero presumption. My beliefs that there has to be life on other planets somewhere, for example, is based on scientific facts and probability and common sense. You can't say that honestly about religion. But you can also apply it to atheism.

    Your need to disagree doesn't mean my beliefs are based on presumption lacking scientific corroboration. It just means you are insecure in your beliefs.
     
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    And that statement has been refuted even when you put the word religious in quotes. I don't believe in gods or spirits which is the basis of religious faith.
     
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    You just redefine words to promote a narrative. In actual fact, your beliefs about the nature of the universe are just religio/philosophical opinions, with no basis in fact.

    You DEFINE:
    theism = religion!
    atheism = science!
    But both are just beliefs about the universe.. the Big Questions.

    You have religious beliefs, no matter how hard you try to deny it. You are, after all.. presumably.. human. ;)

    Unless, you are promoting the age old practice of religious bigotry, where you declare YOUR beliefs as, 'Absolute Truth!', and any competing beliefs as, 'Lies & Superstition!'..?

    Does believing very strongly in something make it true?
     
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    Pedophiile priests would be subject to our law IF it weren't for religious belief in America.

    If ANY other organization harbored pedophiles, there would be outrage untl legal action were taken to stop and to punish such criminality.

    The fact that the largest examples of this problem have been Catholic is irrelevant. The problem would not be allowed to continue if other Christians were not also excusing the behavior on the grounds of the connection to organized religion.

    Sin assumes there is DEVINE authority. Since atheists don't accept a "devine", the concept of sin isn't particularly applicable.

    Atheists absolutely do have a strong concept of morality - something that does not depend on a devine realm.
     

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