Religious Bigotry

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    I would expect no less. 'Christians!', as the narrative goes, are blind, irrational, superstitious, and intolerant.

    Funny i only see the atheists modeling this behavior...
    :roflol:
     
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    I said
    difference between people with a religious outlook and those whose outlook is agnosticism.
    People with a religious outlook are fundamentally uncomfortable with not knowing. Religion is a construct that provides us an assurance that fills the uncomfortable void of ignorance.
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    So. Is it a fact that religionists are uncomfortable with ignorance? Well, they assert having dramatic kniwledge

    1 they assert there is an all powerful god
    2 they assert that they have a personak relationship with that god
    3 they assert that their god has provided then an infallible handbook telling them the true nature of this world, the universe, the meaning of existence, the laws governing our lives, the opportunity for a blessed etearnal life, and the escape from otherwise eternal damnation.

    And, it is undeniable that religionists rest their claims upon BELIEF. And the fundamental nature of belief is that a belief is an opinion that cannot be proved.

    For example it would be absurd to identify gravity as a belief, no one would say “i believe in the sun, or i believe in the pacific ocean.

    Things which are undeniably true are not the subject of belief. And conversely, those things that ARE the subject of belief MUST by their nature be a matter if unproven opinion .
    I just do not see how the above is anything less than a grandious and unsupported claim of knowledge... a salvation from ignorance

    Otoh, by definition, atheism openly acknowledges ignorance on these topics... topics upon which religionist claim knowledge

    It is NOT dogmatic belief to recognize ones ignorance. In fact it is the refusal to commit to a dogmatic belief without evidence. And, after all, the fundamental nature of religion is its demand that we MUST commit to dogmatic beliefs absent evidence.
     
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    Sola Scriptura: Acts 17:11 "These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

    We must obey God rather than man: Acts 5:29 "Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men."


    Human Equality & The Priesthood of believers: Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."


    Sola Scriptura: They searched Scriptures for themselves. For their personal faith/reasoning/journey. It was not a mandatory doctrine.


    John 5:37-47 "And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. 38And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.

    39Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. 41I receive not honour from men. 42But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. 43I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. 44How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only? 45Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.46For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. 47But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?"


    Matthew 23:23 "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone."


    ye pay tithe with very small things, such as mint and anise and cummin to the proper weights but you have left out the weightier things. Righteous judgement, Righteous mercy, Righteous faith.



    Is it really difficult for some to accept that (J)esus Christ was born from a virgin birth? Because I wouldn't know of any normal human being who was born from a virgin birth. Except maybe in today's time with in vitro fertilization.


    In Vitro Fertilization is an assisted reproductive technology (ART) commonly referred to as IVF. IVF is the process of fertilization by extracting eggs, retrieving a sperm sample, and then manually combining an egg and sperm in a laboratory dish. The embryo(s) is then transferred to the uterus. Other forms of ART include gamete intrafallopian transfer (GIFT) and zygote intrafallopian transfer (ZIFT).

    http://americanpregnancy.org/infertility/in-vitro-fertilization/


    But why would a virgin woman want to give birth with in vitro fertilization? Bes

    So maybe what in vitro fertilization is is taking another 'woman's' egg and a 'male sample of sperm' and then placing it in a uterus to have that lady who is unable to produce eggs for herself to give birth and hence it would/could be as it was 'her' baby.

    Either that or it's just really horrible timing in each cycle to NOT be able to have her natural 'eggs' fertilized naturally.


    The most fertile period (the time with the highest likelihood of pregnancy resulting from sexual intercourse) covers the time from some 5 days before until 1 to 2 days after ovulation.[38] In a 28‑day cycle with a 14‑day luteal phase, this corresponds to the second and the beginning of the third week. A variety of methods have been developed to help individual women estimate the relatively fertile and the relatively infertile days in the cycle; these systems are called fertility awareness.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menstrual_cycle



    Is the woman emotionally and physically and mentally/psychologically 'well' to have a natural pregancy? Healthy lifes probably have less need for IVF.


    What Have You Done For Me Lately"

    [Spoken intro:]
    What's up girl?
    He stood me up again
    Again?
    Mmhmm
    Well what's up with this guy?
    Do you really like him that much?
    Yes honey, I love him, he is fine,
    he does a lot of nice things for me
    I know he used to do nice stuff for you,
    but what has he done for you lately?

    Used to be a time when you would pamper me
    Used to brag about it all the time
    Your friends seem to think that you're so peachy keen
    But my friends say neglect is on your mind
    Who's right?

    What have you done for me lately?
    Ooh ooh ooh yeah
    What have you done for me lately?
    Ooh ooh ooh yeah

    Used to go to dinner almost every night
    Dancin' 'til I thought I'd lose my breath
    Ahh
    Now it seems your dancing feet are always on my couch
    Good thing I cook or else we'd starve to death
    Ain't that a shame?

    What have you done for me lately?
    Ooh ooh ooh yeah
    What have you done for me lately?
    Ooh ooh ooh yeah

    I never ask for more than I deserve
    You know it's the truth
    You seem to think you're God's gift to this earth
    I'm tellin' you, no way

    You ought to be thankful for the little things,
    but little things are all you seem to give
    You're always putting off what we can do today
    Soap opera says, you've got one life to live
    Who's right, who's wrong?

    What have you done for me lately?
    Ooh ooh ooh yeah
    What have you done for me lately?
    Ooh ooh ooh yeah
    What have you done for me lately?
    Ooh ooh ooh yeah
    What have you done for me lately?
    Ooh ooh ooh yeah

    Get with it
    Uh, let me know, and from the front
    Let me know, and let me know from the
    What have you done for me lately?
    Ooh ooh ooh yeah (yeah ha)
    What have you done for me lately?
    Ooh ooh ooh yeah (yeah)
    What have you done for me lately?
    Ooh ooh ooh yeah (yeah)

    (No oh oh, no oh, yeah, mmmhmm
    Da di da di, da di da da
    Da
    Mmmhmm
    Yeah-e-yeah-e-yeah ha ha, hey
    Mmmhmm, yeah ha ha)

    What have you done for me lately? (lately)
    Ooh ooh ooh yeah
    (Uh, uh, uh, da di di da, di da di da, a di do da da, yeah)
    What have you done for me lately?
    Ooh ooh ooh yeah
    What have you done for me lately? (lately)

    ---

    Not only are individuals effected by current World things, but so are couples. Couples are also being effected by the current ways the World does things.

    There might have been a time when a husband and wife could stay indoors and not feel any kind of pressure for doing so. Maybe today, there is a negative light for those that do. And so, for them to keep up, they need to change their lifestyle which might cause emotional and mental disturbances to both the husband and wife.

    Why does 'life' need to become more and more expensive to live with each generation? Food/Population increase/jobs, etc...


    The United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization estimates that about 815 million people of the 7.6 billion people in the world, or one in ten, were suffering from chronic undernourishment in 2016. (Almost all the hungry people, live in developing countries.) Updated December 28, 2016.

    https://www.worldhunger.org/hunger-quiz/how-many-people-are-hungry-in-the-world/



    U.S. (alone) could feed 800 million people with grain that livestock eat, Cornell ecologist advises animal scientists

    http://news.cornell.edu/stories/1997/08/us-could-feed-800-million-people-grain-livestock-eat


    Look at it this way:

    Current inventory statistics from the USDA (as of January 1, 2018 ) show us that there are currently 94.4 million cattle in the United States of America, which is 1% more animals than statistics from the same date in 2017.

    Of these, there are 9.4 million dairy cows, and 31.7 million beef cows. Cows referring to mature female bovines that have already calved once before.

    https://www.quora.com/How-many-cows-are-there-in-the-US



    How much do these 94.4 million 'cattle' eat per day? Not to forget the other livestock such as pigs and chickens...


    1% of their body weight, as-fed, per day in grains.
     
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    1% of their body weight, as-fed, per day in grains. So if each 'cattle' weighed 100 pounds, 1% would be 1 pound, per day, for 94.4 million cattle making the total weight of grain around 94.4 million pounds of grain, per day. In 30 days, you would have 2 trillion 832 million pounds of grain.


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    Less on top, more on bottom. This of course is the 5 star fine dining experience, daily. Some substitute the meat protein with legumes and other non animal protein(s) and the cheese, milk, yogurt and such are on occasion. The fruits and vegetables should be in season.

    So if you take the basic necessities; grains/nuts, fruits, vegetables and non meat proteins, you are left with the others as 'luxuries' to dining.
     
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    Betting a buck on a lottery is not even remotely similar to betting your soul on some religion.
     
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    One may be agnostic concerning god while rejecting arguments made in favor of some religion or made in support of claims concerning the actions of some god (that is, regardless of a religion).
     
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    Well, I suspect most of these cases you're concerned about involve the rejection of science for reasons of religious dogma.

    That's not a dispassionate sampling.
     
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    OK, but that dodgest the issue in my post - the issue of how you are using the word "believe" in two very different ways in order to concoct a result you want.
     
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    bigotry


    1. stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.
    2. the actions, beliefs, prejudices, etc., of a bigot.

    What are some 'religious' bigotries? What are some 'religious' bigotries you face and need to deal with?

    Attacks to Christians who hold The Holy Bible as True might face more 'bigotries' than any other in the U.S, right?
     
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    The bottom line though is even if provided with evidence, an atheist or any other person who does not enjoy being under some Spiritual umbrella will just reject all the evidences so that they can remain away from such spiritual umbrellas. That's the bottom line. But rather than just say it, they need to justify their choices with references to this and or that so that they don't feel as if they are or were the only one.


    To admit that you do not want to be under that spiritual umbrella actually frees you up even more than standing your case on any non Deity, atheistic approach to have others justify your personal beliefs.

    it's not so much 'I don't believe in a Creator' more so than, 'I don't want to live under those 'rules' that The Creator might have'. What can an atheist be doing as an atheist that would make any other person 'not believe' in any Creator besides harmful things. But when it gets to this point, it goes beyond 'normal' beliefs to violations to individual safety. The texas Church shooting can be an example. Even if the shooter was an atheist or not, he didn't have to 'kill' to make himself feel more justified. Besides, since atheists enjoy some form of knowledge, how can they say that atheism was the first man's way of living on Earth regardless of when their Earth epoch might have been? To say their religious ways were archaic compared to today would mean that the person does not find those religious ways enjoyable for his or her life today. It doesn't mean that there was no 'religion' then. Nor does it mean that every current 'religion' is nothing more than man's ideas of sustainability among the few compared to the collectiveness of the whole as it is today. If man needed 'religion' to be sustained then due to the lack of group, then the whole group of today would mean that religion is not needed, seeing that the group can be the providers and not any Creator. But this does not prove any non God creation, then or now.

    i know that in the U.S 'religion' is often times associated with Weekly Church Attendance as if it were School. Miss a class, you might not pass.

    Religion is not Weekly attendance. Nor will you be 'judged/rewarded' based on attendance records. There is probably a higher chance of running into ravenous wolves in Church than there might be by not attending. Each person will need to calculate the probabilities and weigh the pros and cons.

    Of course ravenous wolves roam the streets but being a 'friend' to them is a personal choice especially when certain things are known about that person. But how can a person know of any things from a Church member if they only meet once a week?


    The LORD God says to 'do good'. And if a person might not what the 'bad' is to take an objective view to, they can go to Church to get some preaching on the 'good' things and some preaching on the 'bad' things. But today, the Churches are even afraid and timid of speaking of any 'bad' thing. Some churches don't even speak any 'negative' thing to anything in the U.S but might do so to other things in other Countries. So according to the Churches, what is 'bad'? And 'why' are those things 'bad'? What Scriptural knowledges can be provided to show why those things are 'bad' instead of 'just because it says so'??


    Is homosexuality really bad? What does it say in Scripture?

    1 Corinthians 6:9

    New International Version
    "Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men"


    King James Bible
    "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,"



    Are these 2 versions saying the same thing?

    Is men who have sex with men the same as abusers of themselves with mankind? How are they not, or how are they so?

    Is a violent person who abuses mankind an abuser of themselves with mankind? Is a violent person who rapes either males or females an abuser of themselves with mankind, humanity, or are they just 'men who have sex with men'?

    Is a 'male escort' who let's himself be 'hired' to be 'used sexually' the same as a homosexual?

    if I let myself be 'hired' for monies or trade to be 'used' in whichever way the other might want to 'use' me, which am I? A Homosexual or an abuser of self with mankind? Do you think I would have a better chance of leaving that lifestyle alone, all by my own thought and all by my own concern to self?


    Why would an abuser of self with mankind not inherit the Kingdom of God? Because the Kingdom of God is within you whereas the Kingdom of Heaven is outside of you.

    Luke 17:21 "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."


    So maybe two males who are together in a loving way might have an easier possibility of entering into The Kingdom of God within, rather than the one who is an abuser of self with mankind.


    So what of the man lying with man as with womankind being an abomination?

    An abomination is a 'force/movement' if not directly stopped will not stop. Lying lips are an abomination unto The LORD. Those that have lips that can lie easily will not have those lying lips be able to stop even all the way 'unto' The LORD. Meaning, once they start the lying lips rolling, they will even 'lie' directly to The LORD without maybe even flinching. 'Unto' The LORD.

    Proverbs 12:22 "Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are his delight."


    Abomination:
    8441. toebah
    Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
    Tolaites
    Or tonebah {to-ay-baw'}; feminine active participle of ta'ab; properly, something disgusting (morally), i.e. (as noun) an abhorrence; especially idolatry or (concretely) an idol -- abominable (custom, thing), abomination.

    see HEBREW ta'ab

    8440. Tolai
    Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
    Tola
    Patronymically from Towla'; a Tolaite (collectively) or descendants of Tola -- Tolaites.

    see HEBREW Towla'

    8439. Towla'
    Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
    crimson, scarlet, worm
    The same as towla'; worm; Tola, the name of two Israelites -- Tola.


    8581. taab
    Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
    make to be abhorred, be, commit more, [unto] utterly
    A primitive root; to loathe, i.e. (morally) detest -- (make to be) abhor(-red), (be, commit more, do) abominable(-y), X utterly.



    In the midnight hour, she cried more more more.... - Billy Idol (Rebel Yell)


    Mark 13:14 "But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:"


    Deuteronomy 27:15 "Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image, an abomination unto the LORD, the work of the hands of the craftsman, and putteth it in a secret place. And all the people shall answer and say, Amen."


    Jeremiah 32:35 "And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin."


    But this 'abomination' applies only to those of the Sons of Y'srael. It does not apply to Gentiles.


    What are the Gentiles responsible for?

    No blood
    No strangled
    No offered to idols
    No sexual immorality.


    3 things to do with 'foods', 1 to deal with sexuality.

    Do not eat 'blood'
    Do not eat things 'strangled'
    Do not eat things 'offered to idols'
    Avoid sexual immorality
     
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    How could you possibly know such a thing, when no such evidence exists, and therefore the idea has not been and could never be tested? You might as well assert that unicorns prefer chocolate ice cream over vanilla ice cream.
     
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    Maybe you should make a statement condemning the terrorism being carried out against our Democratic leaders, Jews, and others.

    Or, maybe you're just running on empty.
     
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    Doing the first 3 is actually 'applying' to your life. Physical applications to The Word with 'foods'. The 4th is a private matter.


    What are 'strangled' meats?
    What are 'blood', to eat? As in 'raw? But that would not be true since the blood would have been dried up, drained and red dye put in. Blood does not 'keep', does it?
    What are 'foods offered to idols'? What about 'eat whatever they sell at the market place'?


    Will it be difficult for a person to apply these to their personal life for some reason other than 'the world doesn't think the same way', excuse?


    I have a question. When a slab of meat is prepared to be sold, if that slab of meat was not 'prepared' however way it is, how long does 'flesh' usually stay for before it begins decaying? For any piece of 'dead' flesh, whether it be from/on animals or other lifes, how long does it usually take before the decaying begins?

    So this might help with 'blood'. What about things 'strangled'? What does that mean?

    4156. pniktos
    Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
    strangled.
    From pnigo; throttled, i.e. (neuter concretely) an animal choked to death (not bled) -- strangled.

    see GREEK pnigo

    4155. pnigó
    Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
    choke, take by the throat.
    Strengthened from pneo; to wheeze, i.e. (causative, by implication) to throttle or strangle (drown) -- choke, take by the throat.


    From things sacrificed/offered to idols:
    1494. eidólothutos
    Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
    meat offered in sacrifice unto idols.
    Neuter of a compound of eidolon and a presumed derivative of thuo; an image-sacrifice, i.e. Part of an idolatrous offering -- (meat, thing that is) offered (in sacrifice, sacrificed) to (unto) idols.

    as in some kind of 'ceremonial' ritual.


    The vampire lifestyle or vampire subculture is an alternative lifestyle.[1][2] The vampire subculture has stemmed largely from the goth subculture,[1][3] but also incorporates some elements of the sadomasochism subculture.[1] The Internet provides a prevalent forum for the subculture along with other media such as glossy magazines devoted to the topic.

    Active vampirism within the vampire subculture includes both sanguinarian vampirism, which involves blood consumption, and psychic vampirism, whose practitioners believe they are drawing spiritual nourishment from auric or pranic energy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampire_lifestyle


    Does 'drinking blood' become an 'abomination', a thing that cannot stop on its own, if not directly stopped?


    Did you ever consider that your pet 'dog', if you have one, which is in your home is just like the 'steaks' that might be on your dinner table for some other persons in other Countries?
     
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    And all 4 shoild be immediately tossed out as products of the fever deams of illiterate goat herders, and replaced by better ideas arrived at through the process of reason and examination of evidence.
     
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    Well, not really. Spiritual umbrellas are as Law umbrellas. To say they do not exist would be up to the individual.

    With Law a homeless can get housing and a hopeful direction.
    With Law a resident can get peace and safety.
    With Law a person can get employment and fair wages.

    Without Law, a homeless cannot or may not get housing and or a hopeful direction.
    Without Law, a resident might not get peace and safety.
    Without Law, a person might not be able to be employed and/or receive fair wages.


    So which Spiritual umbrella might an atheist or any non believer NOT desire to be under? What Law umbrella might an atheist or any non believer NOT desire to be under?

    Do you think many of the homeless enjoy being under the Law umbrella which tells them that what they are doing, being homeless, is wrong and maybe even 'morally'?


    So what are some Spiritual umbrella laws that you can name that others might NOT want to be under/within? No drugs/sex/rock and roll? So if it is because they are not allowed to drugs/sex/and rockand roll, that would mean that they would prefer to remain away from such umbrellas to not violate or break any of those Spiritual umbrella laws/rules. Which is conscientious. But to prevent others from entering in, just like preventing any one from entering into keeping Local Laws, is more on the wrong side than on the good side.


    So are there some 'spiritual' umbrellas which are not good? is the vampire lifestyle spiritual umbrella 'good'?


    And when a certain person is in Charge of that spiritual umbrella, it could be either good or bad depending.


    how would a person leave any spiritual umbrella in a place where there is neither any law or any spirit? What could that person do to leave the spiritual umbrella he/she has had from past places but not from within that place he/she is currently in?

    drugs? walking around aimlessly? blabbing to self? what if there is no thing a person can do except be aimless, babble and if there was nothing to do?

    Seriously. What can a person do? Employment? Okay. granted. What else?

    Now let us say that when the person became employed, the workers, hiring managers did not like/appreciate one thing about this person? He was too timely, was too efficient, too 'good'. What should he/she do if the employer is getting on his case for being too efficient? And what if the other employers are the same? They do not like efficiency. So let's say this person is either let go or quits due to a very bad workplace. And he/she ends up on some kind of mental disability due to these 'unnatural' ways of life. After this, what can he or she do in a place where there is no Law or any Spiritual umbrella? But let us say that his/her spiritual umbrella was one of excelling, just as his/her employment showed. Now there is no excelling but more a blanded mind but still holding onto some kind of Spiritual excellence. And he/she is fighting. Not to keep it, Not to let it go, but to somehow survive in a place he/she is daily being killed, spiritually, mentally, physically, emotionally, due to the lack of Law and Spiritual umbrella he/she was accustomed to/with.


    Of course this person can relocate. True. And after being away from mainstream society for over a decade dealing with such things on daily basises, I'm sure he/she will make an easy entry into the other places he/she might relocate to.

    Basically, what can such a person who has aged more than 20 years living in such a condition do to not have to keep him/her self in that form of daily chaos?


    Would you say that his/her emotion of being neglected or uncared about would be somewhat valid IF he/she asked for assistances but never received anything more than more pain which he/she asked to be away from?


    What would I do if I was able to provide some kind of assistance to another person? Would I discredit him/her on the basis of my own self or would I assist in some way?
     
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    Decay commences immediately.

    In fact, many meats are hung for some length of time (say, 20 days) in order to improve flavor. Chemical processes in the cells will continue after death, producing lactic acid. Without blood flow, the lactic acid will begin to break down tissue.

    This would be done in a temperature and humidity controlled environment to prevent invasion by bacteria and rot setting in.
     
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    I did not say they do not exist. I said the evidence of which you spoke does not exist, as is clear in my comments. Please modify your comments to address what I said.
     
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    There is no real similarity between our law and religion.

    And, the idea that someone could get "umbrella" coverage is really weird, certainly within Christianity.
     
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    Basically, what can such a person who has aged more than 20 years living in such a condition do to not have to keep him/her self in that form of daily chaos?


    Would you say that his/her emotion of being neglected or uncared about would be somewhat valid IF he/she asked for assistances but never received anything more than more pain which he/she asked to be away from?


    What would I do if I was able to provide some kind of assistance to another person? Would I discredit him/her on the basis of my own self or would I assist in some way?

    Am I not giving proper ideas or am I speaking the Truth? If these things occurred, would saying it in some other non truthful way be the 'better' way to speak? Something like 'buttering' up the situation or sweetening the situation instead of being honest.


    But that is for the 'readers' to deal with. This person is still not getting anything he/she needs. Can persons live a live as if in 'prison' of some sort but free? Free only around certain areas and square miles? Free but not getting any thing but a mental disability because the place he/she is/was within does not approve of excelling or goodness to excellence. Every excellent thing he/she might have done was crushed as if with a sledgehammer over the head. What can this person do if the time spent in such a place led him/her to become as 'brain dead', but still 'free' to do as he/she wanted?

    let's say this person is entering into his/her near retirement years. Most likely, even if a relocation was made, he/she would probably not do too well in a new place at an age of near retirement. So he/she will probably pass away there, in that place where excellence is smashed, and probably by the lack of Law and the lack of any Good Spiritual umbrella.

    What might the justifications be?

    'You were too good in excellence in excelling and so therefore you had to pass away'.

    But we're either hoping you stick with that excellence or get like the rest of the community, regardless of if on drugs, if homeless etc or not. As far as work is concerned, the excelling part is coming to a fizzle.


    how are such ways going to effect him/her emotionally to his/her outlook on things he/she put his/her trust within/upon?

    how can that spiritual umbrella not be a real one?


    What was his/her life for? What was his/her life for? To be compared to others who are opposite to him/herself or even to those who are similar? What was his/her life for?


    What is overly difficult to do the proper thing, the easier thing, the right thing regardless of the financial costs rather than having conversations after conversations which cause the outsiders to fall and die on a continual basis? If such 'deaths'/spiritual and or emotional, mental, is not occurring but these conversations are being held and are causing some others to 'fall', what could it mean to those that seem to not have any 'care' as to those conversations even though it effects them also? It is a foolish conversation that is effecting everyone. Foolishness which is killing many non foolish persons.

    Both sides have already shown that they have gone past the lines of decency and within the boundaries of foolishness. So maybe both parties are not being looked upon by any 'Greater' Ones, to stop their foolishness, since many are perishing. Where is that Spiritual umbrella? And to these lacks, many on the outside begin using the same lines again. 'God does nothing'.

    May it be forbidden if after any single conversation or theme of conversation is finished that the parties would point their finger and accuse any other person/persons for that conversation even beginning. Only to start another foolish conversation based on the same theme. This has been going on since its very first day in 1959.

    Why are financial costs and financial ways not being discussed rather than 'my way' verses 'your way' conversations which keep the others falling day in and day out.

    Why are such relocations wrong if I was suggested that to 'relocate' might be a good idea? Why wouldn't it be also be 'good' for them who need to daily hear this bicker and banter day in and day out with 2 parties unwilling to work with one another?


    I had a guest enter into my home last Saturday. It is now 3 weeks after. I had asked that guest if he would leave because I needed some personal time alone. He hasn't left but is beginning to make himself more at home. What should I do? Police said it was up to me to ask and I did. But after the Police left, the guest came right back in and plopped himself on the couch. Now what?

    is it wrong that I'm asking him to leave? What should I do? I need to get on and move on with my life also. Why might I want my own place to myself? is that wrong? What if I was renting, could the landlord ask me to leave? What if I owned? Could I ask the others to leave? Is myself asking for that person to leave wrong in any way IF what he has/is doing is wrong in my eyes and wrong to the Community around myself?


    How is it wrong? So if it is not wrong, does that make the guest able to call the Police and complain that I'm being overly retentive by continually asking him to leave?


    But because I'm trying to be nice, I see how he can be accommodated. But it seems as if he can't hear any one word I continue to speak, day in and day out. Do I always need to be the accommodating one? So if nothing gets done, I will either pass without having anything get done and/or the guest will pass without having anything gotten done. And 2 lives would have almost have been for nothing, since 1959.

    At this point, I guess it would be up to individual strength and ability to move their own feet into another place along with their belongings. Yes. many have gotten very very ill and sick and weak due to the foolish talking, day after day.

    At this point it might become 'the will to survive' fight.


    So I keep asking. When will I receive any kind of assistance, either to life or to falling asleep in The Lord? Could I be the only one who feels this way?

    The stronger ones are doing well. The stronger elderly ones. But not all of them. There are some who are falling in the middle of the sidewalk for no apparent reason except for the 'BOOM BOOM' coming out from the road vehicles. Even I felt the bass vibrations rattle my bones inside of myself. Noone seems to want to talk about it, though. I guess they are trying to allow the 2 parties peace and quiet to continue on in that foolish conversation. Because after all, that 'BOOM BOOM' is one way they are showing that they are 'serious'. There are many other ways they are showing themselves to be serious also. STOP SIGNS get neglected, speed limits get broken, road volumes for no necessity, very very bothersome. All to make it clear that what they said, they were serious. They want their own peace and quiet to themselves and noone seems to be hearing a thing they have been saying since 1959. It can get very irritated with them being this way one day and that way the other day, never claiming what they want with surety but as it were with subtleties after day after day. They can't even discern who their enemies and allies are in their attempt at whatever they are seeking to do to keep peace and well being for whomever they might be doing so.


    How would I have learned all this, underwent all the past IF these things were NOT occurring and being said?
     
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    Emotions??? Why are you proposing THAT as an issue?

    If someone needs help, THAT is the issue.
     
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    Call the police on the guy who is in your house/apartment without permission.

    Do that RIGHT NOW! Do NOT wait for morning.

    Then, lock the doors and be prepared to call the police again if this guy attempts to return.

    Tomorrow morning file a no-contact order, which isn't much, but if he returns he will have violated the law and further action can be taken.

    You have no moral/ethical responsibility to tolerate home invasion.

    You don't have to give up your home like that - for any reason.
     
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    If you're not sure you can tell the police to get this guy out of your home, please call a friend who can support you by not letting you cave in, by witnessing, or any other way possible.
     
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    The (J)esus Christ attacking is one thing, but this has gotten to the level of having innocent lives being effected for no other reason than for 'lacks' of speedy sentencings.


    And in here is the whole other jar. Why are the Churches being so obstinate in the same regards in like manner? Why are they in such denial about basic Truths to The Written Word? Basic Truths that even a grade schooler would be able to clarify. But even to the Gradeschooler's understanding, man, adults, need to add some 'covering' in order to help the child understand why certain things are the way they are rather than speaking Truth to them.

    Who are these 'denominational' leaders of Churches and Congregations, supposedly preaching how to get into Heaven and live a 'good life', towards God, afraid of with the basic truths of very simple things being constantly brushed aside as if those basic Truths do not have any merit on a person's relationship with The LORD.


    Why must I be comfortable with The LORD on their terms if basic Truths which go against what they teach or preach are bothersome to me or even so slighted that I wouldn't know any difference?


    It doesn't matter to many, but it is very important to others.

    it might not matter to the guest that he is not leaving. But it might be very important to the home owner that he isn't. Whom would you put more credibility upon? The guest or the home owner? And those 'subtle' things which I learn in some places pertaining to God can have me become one who 'glazes' over things which might be very important to others but for myself, not matter too much.


    If your last name was Smith, you would not appreciate being called Smit, day after day, would you? Or are you one who might be able to hold and carry 2 identities? One as Mr/Mrs Smith and the other as Mr/Mrs Smit depending on where you are. World wide, now.. Not only localized. Heck in fact, in their 'local territory', neither Mr/Mrs Smith or Mr/Mrs Smit are recognized as formal proper names.

    They might just call after you as, 'Hey,U'. Or, 'Hey Yoos', if there were more than 1.
     
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    There is the Spiritual Umbrella and the Law umbrella. Without both, you might have chaos.


    It's not only Spiritual umbrella things. It's also Law umbrella things. When both sides of both Umbrellas allow for innocent lives to 'fall' by the wayside, I hope a person would be able to see that those 'fruits' are not producing unto any 'good'.

    Who's falling? Who's excelling?

    When an entire homeless encampment park is emptied, where did they put them all? Where is the information to their lives? Why are they treated as 'wayside' fallings? Where are the 'good' fruits, both Spiritual and Law?


    Life doesn't 'just go on' with 20 or 30 persons who were daily at the park missing over night and with no information... That is not life. I would be as a dead zombie walking if I thought their 'disappearance' was nothing but another spring day of raking up fallen leaves.


    So why such a difficult time realizing basic truths? What are they seeking to 'keep' by not accepting the basic basic truths about certain things?


    I mean, what did City and County do? Pull up with a Military cargo truck and load them and all their belongings on and highed hoed out of there?


    i hope you get the point, Mr./Mrs. Smit.

    :)


    Education correction: Mr./Mrs. Smith. Thanks be to God for education that I was able to correct the mistake. :)
     
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    Well easier said than done. But I thought we were kind of like buddies. You know.. One beer turned to 2.. 2 turned to music. Music and T.V and laughs.. Soon, 3 weeks later.. I don't know.


    Now, landlords prohibit visitation rights to any. Not even close friends. ONLY relatives AND not for overnight. haha.. too funny.

    i'm thinking it might have something to do with the 'homeless' dressing up as non homeless and then visiting to which when the landlords find out they become very angry.

    So scenario: I know a person who is clean as a whistle. But homeless. He gets the 'ostracized' treatment.

    And I know another person who is not clean as a whistle but not homeless. He doesn't get the 'ostracized' treatment.



    What does this mean?


    Just think.. If The Landlords are beginning to restrict visitation rights, then the place must be getting worse for some reason.
     
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