Religious exemption from having photo on gun license? Really?

Do such records in the united states reveal which individuals have been convicted of felony offenses? Or do they only include arrest reports which have no bearing?

 

https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/nics

 

When you sign a 4473 you are warned of the penalties that stem from perjury.

 

So what's the point in lying about being a prohibited person if the background check will uncover it anyway?

 

I just can't see the point in someone lying about their background if a background check will uncover it anyway.

 

Surely police records reveal which individuals have been convicted of felony offenses.

 

Police records, no; court records, yes. The NICS database is not complete because it's not updated correctly.

 

Yet it happens all too often.

 

So the NICS only serves to conduct background checks for the purpose of checking who can purchase a firearm? I'm actually stunned that there is a federal system for this, considering the few states which require a gun license. How is it worthwhile for the federal government to run this system just for a few states? I assumed that each state would conduct the background checks with their own system.

 

Every new gun is required to be sold via NICS, no matter which state, and some states also use it for all sales.

 

New gun? As in newly imported by a gun store?

 

Are you talking about the club being a gun free zone? Yeah, I mean that's an absolutely ridiculous law that one, no question. Gun free zones are safe zones for terrorists, it is simply madness and they should be abolished immediately. If they didn't exist, a terrorist may think twice about carrying out these attacks if they know that people could be armed to shoot back.

Are you saying that they should've done something anyway, even though they were not carrying guns?

How do we know that the shooters gun malfunctioned and looked it up online?

 

If the terrorists break Canadian law and do their evil in Canada, that would be one thing, but they wont stay in Canada. They will cross the border and Americans will pay for Canadians stupidity.

 

I hope you're not victim blaming.

 

What about the issue of the club patrons making no effort at fighting back once the shooting had stopped, because the terrorist was suffering from a weapon malfunction? Why did they simply wait, in a manner that was no different than livestock waiting in line to be killed in a slaughterhouse?

 

Agreed!

Absolutely! Cowering in place guarantees you die. If you fight, you have at least a chance at life. While I carry constantly, even on those rare circumstances where I can't have a sidearm I have at least a knife on me. In this case, we know that the shooter's rampage was halted for a long time by his firearm's malfunction; plenty of opportunity to rush him.

Along with witness statements, the shooter's phone was recovered. Investigators looked at his search history and usage log, along with the fact he spoke to police more than once over the phone, declaring his allegiance to ISIS and taunting them. One person hiding in the bathroom sent a text to his family about the shooter "loading up" - actually the shooter watching a video on how to clear a jam in his rifle - before the shooter resumed killing people.

Some people would not castigate me for "blaming the victims"; but I'm not. I blame a society that has chosen to program its people that any kind of violence - even righteous violence in defense of oneself - is morally wrong, and we have programmed huge numbers of people to hide and die instead of fight and survive.

 

The Federal government runs this system for the entire US.

 

A dealer has to run a NICS check on every gun purchase, regardless of new or used stock.

 

Their other choice was to hide and wait to die.
Fortunately, the police showed up in time to stop most of that.

 

I'm blaming them for their inaction, which surely led to more people dying than if they had acted against the shooter, rather than hiding.

 

Yes, new gun meaning a gun that has just entered the retail market (either imported from a foreign country or from a U.S. gun manufacturer). To buy a new gun, a NICS check has to be done, unless you are a licensed gun dealer, in which case, you have had a very extensive background check already done, as well as a bunch of regulations to follow.

In addition, any gun (new or used) sold by a licensed gun dealer has to go through a NICS check.

 

But who would buy new guns to enter the retail market other than gun dealers?

The gun has to go through an NICS check? Or do you mean the person buying the gun has to go through a check? Is this the case even in the states which do not require gun licenses?

 

The problem is, you're assuming the mental state of someone who is in the middle of an attack like that. You're assuming that they are not paralysed by fear and are in a state of total paralysis. There's a reason why these sort of attacks are only ended when police shoots dead the shooter. I find your post incredibly naive. How do you know how YOU would act in this situation?

 

The problem is, you're assuming the mental state of someone who is in the middle of an attack like that. You're assuming that they are not paralysed by fear and are in a state of total paralysis. There's a reason why these sort of attacks are only ended when police shoots dead the shooter. I find your post incredibly naive. How do you know how YOU would act in this situation?

 

The problem is, you're assuming the mental state of someone who is in the middle of an attack like that. You're assuming that they are not paralysed by fear and are in a state of total paralysis. There's a reason why these sort of attacks are only ended when police shoots dead the shooter. I find your post incredibly naive. How do you know how YOU would act in this situation?