Remember the Repub freak out over the ACA and "rationed care?"

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  1. ShadowX

    ShadowX Well-Known Member

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    No I want to see where you can get comirnaty. I don’t want a claim from a biased fact checking site that you can.
     
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    Of course not because we haven’t done any long term data for it lol

    Therefore your assertion it’s safe is not supported by the data either.
     
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    Dude....Comirnaty = Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine

    and Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine = Comirnaty.

    They are one in the same, they are not two separate things. If you are getting the Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 you are getting Comirnaty
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not accepting factual material as Trumpette's often do makes rational discussion virtually impossible.

    One Instagram post acknowledged the Comirnaty vaccine had received FDA approval, but made the false claim that the only available doses are Pfizer vials that are still just under emergency use authorization.

    In fact, Comirnaty is the new brand name Pfizer is using to market its COVID-19 vaccine and there is no distinction between the two.
     
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    No that’s patently false according to the FDA release. They are chemically identical but legally distinct.

    You cannot get comirnaty in the us. If you can show me where
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is when you just graciously admit your error and move on rather than digging in your heels.
     
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    I have committed no error. Show me one piece of evidence ONE person in the US has gotten a comirnaty shot. Or show me one place they’re available.
     
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    https://www.fda.gov/media/144414/do...bUlb9yOxGy4k2Xtxptbn9sULfGXcJYu9XdJSv-M3tXVXE

    “The licensed vaccine has the same formulation as the EUA-authorized vaccine and the products can be used interchangeably to provide the vaccination series without presenting any safety or effectiveness concerns. The products are legally distinct with certain differences that do not impact safety or effectiveness.”

    Those differences? Now they can give you the EUA vaccine while claiming it’s approved when it’s not. And you can’t sue them.
     
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    “The licensed vaccine has the same formulation as the EUA-authorized vaccine and the products can be used interchangeably to provide the vaccination series without presenting any safety or effectiveness concerns.

    Thank you.
     
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    That’s not the point lol. The point is they’re not giving you the APPROVED vaccine. They’re giving you the EUA vaccine. Which means if there ARE detrimental long term consequences you can’t sue. Unlike if you took comirnaty.

    But they’re portraying it as if it’s the same thing. It’s the same drug but it is NOT legally the same. You CANNOT sue for taking an experimental EUA drug. You CAN sue for taking an fda approved drug.
     
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    The APPROVED vaccine and the EUA vaccine are the exact same thing.

    you might as well be arguing "they did not give you Ibuprofen, they gave you Motrin"

    You are so far out of your league here I truly feel sorry for you.
     
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    Wtf are you talking about? They are NOT the same thing.

    if Motrin was an experimental drug only given authorization under the EUA and drug ibuprofen is approved, giving you Motrin is NOT the same thing.
     
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    Maybe you don’t understand. I’m going to assume you’re not being obtuse. So let me put it this way.

    Let’s say hypothetically there are severe detrimental long term consequences from taking EITHER the EUA version or comirnaty (since they’re chemically identical).

    If they gave you the EUA version could you sue?

    If they gave you comirnaty could you sue?

    The answer to those questions are no and yes. Therefore they are NOT the same. And you will NEVER get a comirnaty shot here in the us. They will only give you the EUA version. That’s why they extended the EUA version and didn’t force them to slap comirnaty on all the labels of currently available vaccines.
     
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    OK where are you getting this rubbish ooos sorry misinformation?
     
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    I JUST gave you the FDA release which said they were chemically identical yet legally distinct.
     
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    Under the National Childhood Vaccination Act of 1986 you are allowed to sue a vaccine manufacturer for detrimental consequences from taking an APPROVED vaccine.

    You are NOT however protected if you inject yourself with an experimental or EUA vaccine.

    These dishonest ****s are going around telling everyone they’re getting jabbed with an approved comirnaty vaccine when they’re NOT. They’re getting jabbed with the same EUA vaccine that has NOT been approved and does not give one recourse to sue.
     
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    They are the same ****ing thing.

    Yes and yes. Since they are the SAME ****ING THING.
     
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    Jesus ****ing Christ. NO they are not the same thing. ONE is approved and the other is NOT.

    So if you get jabbed with the unapproved one you CANNOT SUE.

    Which part of that do you not understand?
     
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    The bits that make no sense - which is all of it
     
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    Ok let’s go through this piece by piece.

    We have TWO vaccines that are chemically identical but legally distinct.

    One vaccine (comirnaty) has been approved by the FDA.

    One vaccine (the chemically identical Pfizer vaccine allowed under the EUA) has NOT been approved by the FDA but has had its EUA extended.

    You with me or want to take issue with anything there?
     
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    I do not understand why you think that two things that are identical are different things, and I am sure I never will. The only difference between them in what is written on the label.
     
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    No dude. They are LEGALLY distinct. Meaning one has been approved but the other has NOT. Which means if you get the one that has NOT been approved you have ZERO legal protections.
     
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    From the FDA press release....

    Today, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved the first COVID-19 vaccine. The vaccine has been known as the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, and will now be marketed as Comirnaty (koe-mir’-na-tee), for the prevention of COVID-19 disease in individuals 16 years of age and older.

    You are just wrong. I am sorry, but you are.
     
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    A teller can go work in any of the small casino cashier's cages around town. Problem solved.

    Let's assume the bank mandates the vaccine. Then what?
     
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    No sir YOU are wrong.

    From that same release:


    COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) is an FDA-approved COVID-19 vaccine made by Pfizer for BioNTech.
    • It is approved as a 2-dose series for prevention of COVID-19 in individuals 16 years of age and older.
    • It is also authorized under EUA to be administered to:
    To prevent COVID-19 in individuals 12 through 15 years, and
    To provide a third dose to individuals 12 years of age and older who have been determined to have certain kinds of immunocompromised.

    The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine has received EUA from FDA to:
    • prevent COVID-19 in individuals 12 years of age and older, and
    • provide a third dose to individuals 12 years of age and older who have been determined to have certain kinds of immunocompromise
    .
     
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