Remember when Don was going to be a "real leader?"

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  1. quiller

    quiller Well-Known Member

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    I don't think my stomach could take a whole 200 pages of me. But thanks.
     
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    I'll tell him he will wind up on Mount Rushmore, where there are no Democrats and never should be. That and the $20 bill. With his signature and seal on it.

    Oh drear, oh drear, how shallow the slings or slight the wounds. Democrats are convinced their way is best despite the runaway municipal and state and now federal deficits causing ever-more money to be borrowed just to pay interest on outstanding obligations like bonds---or other loans.

    Yes, the GOP was fully complicit after we left the gold standard. Back in the real Depression, it was a trifling $20 (Troy ounce) and last I looked it was $1743. The rise began after Trump took office.

    Democrats under FDR and that ilk of gimmecrats screwed us right into the ground on debt. We must never let them get hands on our wallets, ever.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Repubs have no legitimate claim to fiscal responsibility. Reagan blew the lid off that canard and every Repub prez who came after him followed suit. Especially Trump.......who is the first prez in history to sign a massive tax cut bill at a time of trend growth that was predicted to add significantly to the nation's debt.

    What Are the Act’s Projected Budgetary Effects?
    To construct its baseline budget projections, CBO incorporated the effects of the tax act, taking into account economic feedback—that is, the ways in which the act is likely to affect the economy and in turn affect the budget. Doing so raised the 11-year projection of the cumulative primary deficit (that is, the deficit excluding the costs of servicing the debt) by $1.3 trillion and raised projected debt-service costs by roughly $600 billion. The act therefore increases the total projected deficit over the 2018–2028 period by about $1.9 trillion.
    https://www.cbo.gov/publication/53787
     
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    Lol...The worship of failure is a sad way to save face.
    Here's the skinny- refute them if you can.
     
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    White House on one try = win. And so does America.
     
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    You funny :)
     
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    quiller Well-Known Member

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    Democrats write my best material. The only joke machine run on public tax dollars.
     
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    House chairmen press Cabinet secretaries for answers on clearing protesters ahead of Trump's photo op
    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/03/house-protests-trump-photo-op-299163

    Multiple House committee chairmen are pressing four Cabinet secretaries for answers about the Trump administration's decision to use tear gas and rubber bullets to remove peaceful protesters near the White House on Monday ahead of President Donald Trump's photo op in front of the nearby St. John's Church.

    House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler, House Natural Resources Chairman Raul Grijalva, House Armed Services Chairman Adam Smith and House Homeland Security Chairman Bennie Thompson said the mishmash of federal law enforcement agencies involved on Monday's action left unclear who ordered the forceful maneuvers. They also ask why the protest was broken up, even though a 7 p.m. curfew was still 30 minutes away.
     
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    We skip past your assertion that Trump was there as a photo op, because leftists rarely understand religious people anyway and it's pointless to conjoin topics. Conservatives of good cheer would see Trump's visit as one of presidential support for a church which has served each President in turn...until himself. Liberals would and did call it a photo op.

    The behavior of church officials toward that symbolic visit? On this political forum, I await their overall leadership (can't recall formal titles) making severe personnel changes at that church, earning Page 97 headlines any day.

    Horrors! Religious freedom meets the leadership council. There are wealthy, truly religious people who know precisely whom to call to get people yanked and replaced. It was deserved. They made it about Trump and not about comity and trying to make sides agree. I hesitate to invoke a specific religion here so instead I offer a phrase which appears substantially intact across the eight major global religions (or philosophies, as is the case with Buddhism versus Shinto). In short it is a universal truth.

    In English --- Do unto others as you would have done unto you.

    This week it's so very easy to DO some of this back, good and hard. America, leader in the free world for the design and manufacture of weapons envied and purchased throughout the world, can SURELY think of SOME damn thing. Old school? 40mm grenade-launchers. Social distancing, it's responsible.

    Oh. About Trump having the right to call in the military? This will sound dangerously like facts to a liberal. KRYPTONITE! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!

    The 1878 Posse Comitatus Act, 18 U.S.C. Section 1385, generally forbids Presidents from bringing in the military for domestic purposes. (It's still current after two renewals.) Mad Dog Mattis raises that point...but he's incorrect.

    Under that same otherwise restrictive Act are provisions for rare exceptions under an emergency which would bypass Congress. Madeline Albright employed it once, with a later second use by Clinton for that Branch Davidian thing in Waco. In both cases the alleged use of the Delta Team was involved (this last part taken from an unsubstantiated site about the Force and not so much about the Act). It's all very murky but exceptions did occur, so Trump has precedent as well as executive authority.

    So it's not some GOP trifle like the Democrats misusing FISA courts to attempt to overthrow a President. Nah---this is SERIOUS! Leftist fun got cancelled! People with tools to disperse you dispersed you!

    Fiends, I say! There oughta be a protest!

    It will probably be decided years from now but at this time Trump appears to have the legal right.

    The decision on the degree of that pastor's expression of Christian forgiveness? Even atheists can agree it will come down on her from on high. When the dollars stop, the management gets rolling.
     
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    What in the world makes you think Trump is a religious person?

    What evidence can you provide to claim Trump went to the church for anything other than the photo op?

    If you can not see Trump uses religion as a political tool then you have lost your objectivity.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/03/politics/trump-church-visit-religion-burke/index.html
     
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    As I say, leftists cannot understand religious people and never will. That is why the Babylon Bee is now considered America's paper of record for its clever examinations of what makes liberals the twisted souls they are.

    https://babylonbee.com/news/governor-cuomo-orders-nursing-homes-to-admit-rioters
     
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    Oh yeah,, Trump's fault, I get it.
     
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    The initial part of this post--the part that notes that President Trump "claimed to have the authority to make decisions for the states but left it up to governors to take responsibility for mistakes"--is true. This has the smell of hypocrisy.

    But the (too-familiar) use of his first name--"Don"--is enormously disrespectful, when referring to the President of the United States.

    And the use of such words as "inept" and "coward" to describe him is simply inexcusable.

    Please tone down the rhetoric a bit. Then, people (who do not already agree with you, in their blind rage toward the president) may take you more seriously.
     
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    Not only did the Orange Angel of the Apocalypse personally assault each and every peace-loving, dewy-eyed protestor, but he took away their birthdays and sent them to bed without supper. This monster dared to show his face in Lafayette Square, when any good courageous gun-to-a-knife-fight Obama clod can attest---Hussein woulda hid in that bunker like the best of them. Where's that Hussein leadership, hey?

    We're dealing with little punks who ride the civil-rights protestors' coat-tails in order to ... what? Blow off steam for things they and probably the rest of us cannot fix? Destroy property because someone who does not live there said so? Who stays around after all the rioting?

    Who stays silent, the elected officials supposed to be in charge? Who's letting this go on?
     
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    Rhetoric fails me. (*grins*) Try being conservative and weather the halfwittery that leftists fling at all opportunities. Transference is not a subway ticket.

    Dems routinely accuse others of what they most are thinking, wanting, or fear. Those opposed to them getting their way are their bogeyman. That's us conservatives because we save money, respect our neighbors and do not damage their property. We attend church and try to raise good kids to be good citizens.

    We pay taxes. We own guns. So very few of those same legal owners ever get into the trouble liberals willingly lie about. We are the flyover country they despise. We are the real Americans, not the vandals or naysayers or whiners. When misfortune happens, we rise to that call. Take for example how that black retired firefighter with no insurance saw his lifetime savings go away when rioters torched his bar. He now has more than $1 MILLION from strangers.

    WHAT racism? Who adopts black babies? Who adopts white? Who welcomes start-up businesses and who says be safe on our support system? Which side calls THAT one slavery?

    WHAT blind rage, from the right's perspective? I'm a conservative posting on a board absolutely riddled with political opinion contrary to my own. I take their IDEAS seriously. It's just the mockery they can't stand, of a party so wrong as theirs. Hyperbole and sarcasm are weapons they despise. Rhetoric? I'd come over and preach this in person, so for now rhetoric is all I have. Until some liberal shuts me down.

    I woulda said less but I didn't have the time.....
     
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    My post was directed toward the poster who uses the UserName "Lee Atwater." He referred to the president by his first name (which is enormously disrespectful); and proceeded to accuse him of being "inept" and a "coward."

    It is certainly okay to oppose the policies of the president--and even to dislike his personality.

    But to disparage him in a way that shows disrespect for the office itself is entirely beyond the pale, in my opinion.
     

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