Reparations I can live with...

Discussion in 'Race Relations' started by edna kawabata, Jul 22, 2020.

  1. David Landbrecht

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    The world wide movement to end slavery is almost exclusively a product of European culture.
     
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    That doesn't make it right.
     
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    but a precedent was set none the less.
     
  5. Junkieturtle

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    That's complete and total nonsense. You will not gain any allies to your cause other than others who share that same misguided opinion, even those who are more than willing to admit that racism both then and now are a serious issue.
     
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  6. edna kawabata

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    If your people for the the last three hundred years or so have been white Christians they were part of the dominate society. They made the rules, set the moral parameters and were the leaders of industry (except for a few Jewish outliers). So white Christians have enjoyed preferential treatment. They used it and participated in it. If your people are one of the few who thought this arrangement was unfair, like the Quakers, their opinion was largely ignored. Other ethnicities were second class and blacks were third class with specific laws restricting their citizenship and accumulation of wealth. Not nonsense.
    Now there are attempts at leveling the playing field and some whites are howling at how unfair it is and that they are being discriminated against. Hilarious.
     
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    I demand reparations from blacks for the 350,000 deaths of all white ancestors who died freeing the slaves. Do you even hear a thank you?
     
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  8. Jolly Penguin

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    So what? Slavery itself was a precedent as well. It was right to break it.

    And was also based on the idea that we should treat people a certain way because of what they look like, their religion, etc. That core idea, that we should treat people according to groups we lump them into in our minds, instead of who they are as individuals, is the core problem in much of this.
     
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    It must really suck to live in a world where every individual is viewed as nothing more than a member of whatever race they happened to be born into and with an inherited sin/victimhood from the atrocities committed by "their group" in the past.

    There were certainly a lot of awful things that happened in the past, but these things were only possible because people held principles similar to yours -- Individuals are only smaller cells in a larger, racial organism and some organisms with inherent traits are better than others.

    What you are asking for - without knowing it - is the same philosophy that put the Star of David on Jews to identify them so that they could be removed.

    This is a very deplorable outlook on what it is and means to be human and a very dangerous interpretation of history that can only serve to repeat the evils you are shunning.

    This is only true because that society was built on ideas similar to yours.

    "Levelling the poaying field" can only- and should only be done on the individual level. If you go out to "level the playing field" on a collective level, you will have to be prepared to commit genocide. This is what, without exaggeration, happened in Cambodia.

    We need to move away from tribalism and into a paradigm of individual rights because groups cannot have rights and groups do not make choices.

    If you always aggregate and compare group data, you will always find differences and disparities. Addressing them and trying to solve them is deemed to fail by default.

    Race is bs and can serve as nothing more than a descriptive factor. What matters to life, however, is the individual and their values and virtues.
     
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    Slavery itself wasnt a precedent since you cant pinpoint ints conception, race based slavery that was invented by white folk was a precedent though.
     
  11. Esau

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    It wasnt the blacks who killed them though, go ask your brothers, the ones who killed you.

    Smh the level of intellect on these forum drops faster by the day iswear
     
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    Well, the democrat party was the party of institutionalized racism. I would ask only democrats to pony up.
     
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    Absolutely this, with the caveat that an individual's race, gender, sexual orientation, etc can and often is used to prejudge them, and this isn't always explicit or intentionally or consciously done. It is the core of both racism and what the thinking of post you replied to.
     
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    "Mixed race" people further complicated the issue of raperations - Should someone who is 1/2 White only pay 50% and someone who is 1/4 White only pay 25%? Do we have to start massive DNA-testing programs to determine who is a giver and who is reciever?

    Are Afro-Hispanics granted as much reparations as African-Americans or is that up to the Spaniards to pay for?

    What if you are only "1/10th Anglo-Saxon" as much of your family came long after slavery was abolished?

    This is a very dangerous path to take that will only serve to spread racism even more.
     
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    The better solition is to help the poor and oppressed because they are poor or oppressed, with no reference to race. That more black people than white people are poor or oppressed means more black people than white people will be helped by the effort, but not in a race-prejudiced mindset.
     
  16. Ritter

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    Exactly!

    If your concern is truly to help the poor and oppressed, race should be of no concern to you. When charities donate money to Africa, they do not do it because Africans are Black, but because they are in need of help.

    Let's say that we look into the DNA and ancestry of every single American and find out that Mariah Carey's White side of the family owned members of Alicia Key's "Black side" and Alicia Key's "White side" owned members of Mariah Carey's "Black side" - Do they pay each other the same sum? Are they even? Assume Obama's family is involved in the equation somehow too, now what? :laughing:

    How do you determine who is Black and who isn't? Do we return to the "single drop rule"? And who is even "White"? Are Jews White? Are Italians White? Most Latinos have some European blood in them, are they White? Wouldn't it be unfair to label a family that came to America in the 1920's as descendants slave-owners? And what about African immigrants who are not descendants of "American slave trade"?

    I mean, the only way for reperations to ever be made possible is to identify and single out people based on how they look and that is the very definition of racism.
    These questions are not as much an attempt to ridicule and point out the absurdity behind the idea of "reparations", but actually serious questions those who wish to implement it should ask themselves. I really would want to hear them answer these valid concerns.

    No. As you said, race should not be a factor when it comes to helping the "disadvantaged".
     
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    its not about that though, its about compensating the descendants of slaves. the only compensation ever paid was to white slavers, paid by White Jewish European bankers, facts.
     
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    No, as Ritter wrote, it isn't about compensation for the descendants of slaves. It is about compensaring based on race, regardless of who their ancestors were. And even if you could and did do it based on ancestry, how far back should it go? Because go back far enough and pretty much everyone alive today has an ancestor who was opressed and/or enslaved.
     
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    What form are these reparations going to take? How will it be organised and dictated? Who will get the money and who will pay it? How will it be paid?
     
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    I think we should help the poor. The poor are disproportionately black, but if you are white and poor, you should get the same help as someone black and poor.
     
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    What a world you live in, do you have an SJW rewards card somewhere you're trying to get punched? There are millions of Americans who had no family here during any of the years where slavery existed.
    There are no efforts to provide reparations for the Chinese people who were also slaves in this country. Blacks have more freebies, more special treatment, and more designated programs than ANYONE else, your pandering is comedic at best. They have 150 years to get their sh** together and stealing from others is no solution. Try again.
     
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    Seems to me that if the offspring of former slaves have a beef or seek reparations, they should look to Africa and their former African brethren who stole them from their lives and enslaved them. The whites who bought them did not steal them. They paid for them. Later in America whites fought a war to end slavery and free the slaves in America. Over 600,000 white Americans died doing it, while also wrecking cities, towns, states and economies. Surely freedom is a sweeter fruit to the offspring of slavery than to any other. Money is no substitute for a lack of appreciation for life in freedom. Look at black America today. They have traded away Husbands and Fathers to the Democrat party for taxpayer subsidies and brought a blight upon themselves. What has the Democrat party done with the Husbands and Fathers of black America? The best way for black America to enrich itself is to buy back its Husbands and Fathers by returning the subsidies they've been given. This isn't about slavery. It's about welfare and the unholy alliance that blacks have made with the Democrat party. Therein resides the thievery of priceless character, dignity and self worth.
     
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    Yes. It really is that simple. And it is also true that a lot of "affirmative action" benefits the already privileged, who just happen to also be the target race. People applying to Harvard and getting in because they are black, tend not to be poor black kids. They tend to be the spoiled kids of rich black parents. Giving those kids a lower entry bar to get in isnt doing anything whatsoever to help poor kids, of any race.

    And it isnt a pleasant experience to be told "sorry, we have enough asians/jews already".
     
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    Tax money to descendants.
     
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    Its about reparations for descendants. Have no idea what point you want to nake.
     

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