Report Launch: Recalibrating U.S. Strategy toward Russia: A New Time for Choosing

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  1. litwin

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    this video explains why USA is the free world leader , it has highest quality expertise, analysis, its open , democratic, clear in its goals, RELAY GREAT COUNTRY. will Trump listen the advises form American professionals and experts? and handle the most aggressive and dangerous to USA and the world country (Muscovy)?


     
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    Heads are really going to explode because it is time for us to stop using Russia as our red herring and try to cooperate with them more..
     
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    do you think that a Democracy can do business with the Kleptocracy (thugs in power) ?
     
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    The chinese are worse and the left sure thinks doing business with them is a great idea.
     
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    or know, Putler was the first dictator since Hitler - Sralins´time who annexed a big slice of lands form another country . Hans want , and can make money, Muscovites dont
     
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    It would be nice if the United States, Russia, China, and other countries could work together for the benefit of everybody. That will never happen if we refuse to talk with one another.
     
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    are you ready to benefit Putin´s oligarchs and his occupation politic ?
     
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    I think they are.

    Russian propaganda will work well in the US if it is endorsed by a top leader. Most people here don't know the details in Eurasia, so when we hear about the Russians killing "terrorist" we take it at face value. Especially if the US president then commends Russia for its actions.

    Go a step further and label anyone critical of Russia as brainwashed, or part of the fake news, and its easy to make criticism a political partisan issue.
     
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    man , the hans took all low ends jobs from the west, we keep all high end . they are slaves of the west . meanwhile Putler acts like Hitler and Sralin in 1939. what business can do with these thugs?
     
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    I agree wholeheartedly with these statements. It's amazing that we are having these discussions and totally ignoring even recent history/events.

    Putler (tks!!!) is the head of the world's biggest mafia and in no way represents freedom and democracy. Heck, the "free world" depended on him to verify Syria's destruction of chemical weapons most recently, look how that turned out. He has many powerful people entwined in his financial money laundering web and we are just beginning to scratch the surface....
     
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    socially, if we compere the west world GDP and the Muscovite one . its a pure surrealistic picture , why we allow Kremlin kleptocracy to feel so free to do what it wants (almost , yes we stopped him in Ukraine , but cost, and 10% is still under occupation) ...
     
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    Russia is not being used as any red herring because Russia is an opponent and an enemy. I say this not from some emotional knee jerk action. I say so based upon on Russia's actions. Russia wants NATO and the EU to go away. WHY. Because that will give Russia the road to dominate Europe and hurt us economically and politically and destroy our wall of security. You need to understand that Europe us our important trading partner and Russia wants Europe for itself. I am talking about economic imperialism because that is what the new USSR that Putin wants to build is.

    Cooperation is find but never on Russian terms.
     
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    No, thatvwill never happen because Russia and China have no desire or history of benefitting "everyone". The USA has helped many countries over the years starting with saving Europe with the Marshall plan.

    What has China done? They are trying to capture islands in the South China Sea to project their strategic power.

    Russia invades Ukraine!

    Do they sound like countries we can cooperate with!?
     
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    a good example China, full support to the most cannibalistic regimes , Sudan,
    Zimbabwe, etc.
     
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    To be perfectly clear, if a liberal politician supported Russia the same thing would happen. Just on the other side of the fence. Most of us don't understand much of what's going on that far away, so we mostly agree with whatever our party leaders claim and exaggerate the inconsistencies of the other.

    I even assume that many media outlets would spin everything differently if someone like Obama was supporting Russian actions.

    And that is a national shame. The truth is more often kicked to the curb in the name of greater causes than it is sought out. Which makes me wonder about the use of these greater causes which are supported so often by a framework of deceit. Is anyone really working towards a cause, or are they only transfixed on the next minor victory?

    Russia needs to be checked in its most ambitious maneuvering. Its lack of hesitation in using violence and provocateur tactics against peaceful protesters, and assassinating critics and inconvenient witnesses make clear what kind of regime it is and will continue to be. Do we want to go back to having massive political death camps? Who can ethically support or minimize the actions of murderous leadership?

    I have watched liberals say we have to because of the nuclear threat. Getting along and not making waves is the best plan as far as they are concerned. Its surprising to me, despite what I've said, how quickly many of the conservatives are moving to that same argument. Whatever backbone identity each of our parties had at one time is far out of sight in modern times.
     
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    We can definately get into the terrorist crushing business with them, the outlook on that is high..

    They took a lot more than the "low end" jobs from the west.. They took our middle class jobs..
     
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    Yes it is..
    Every last post with "russia" and "Trump" in it is russia being used as a red herring..
    Just a big fabricated lie made up to give liberals something to deflect their failures onto..
     
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    So, as always. You praise USA, demonise my country, and argue for war. And do this - in our day of grief.
     
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    Agree. Time of disputes should pass. It should.
     
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    So far I witnessed the direct opposite, with any media input from Russian Federation being dismissed as "state propaganda", as well as - myslef - being repeatedly insulted and harassed, witnessing my country insulted - even in this thread - demonised, with my people being demonised and insulted. And it takes enormous efforts to get any argument through this wall of dismissal.
     
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    Turchinov sent military against civilians, who have been performing a referendum.
    https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Рефер....BE.D0.BD.D0.B5.D1.87.D1.87.D0.B8.D0.BD.D1.96
    http://www.independent.mk/articles/3891/Ukraine+Crisis+Donetsk+"Anti-terror+Operation"+Under+Way
    This was, in my opinion, a brute expression of force, and one of main reasons of armed conflict in the Donbass region, that keeps consuming people's lives. It should have - must have - been resolved through diplomacy, dialogue between government and people - not through subjugation by military.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Ukrainian_crisis#War_in_Donbass
     
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    When will the liberals stop siding with Putin? They have left the country divided and therefore, possibly, compromised our ability to deal with them effectively. Democrat lawmakers and their base need to start putting the country first and their ideology needs to be put aside.
     
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    Sure believing that Trumpeizda nonsense from the Cheeto Colored Dildo....
     
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    "Turchinov sent military against civilians, who have been performing a referendum" you can post 10000 words, but you could occupy only 10% of Ukraine , its illegal, its crime , and pay for it everyday . where is your so called "novoroSSia" from Moldova to Abkhazia? you lost this war, and gonna pay for it many , many years
     
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    I think enough Americans have died.
     
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