Republicans and Trump supporters need to apologize to America

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

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    Manafort had been colluding with a Russian spy. This idea that Trump didn't know about it is completely and utterly implausible.

    The man has betrayed America on so many levels, and needs to be prosecuted. Hell, his incompetence on Covid caused 10s of thousands of needless deaths. His failures on environment have set America back years. the man is an existential threat to national security and the environmental health of the planet, and, not to mention the fact he is an ignoramous boobclown of epic proportions, the laughing stock of the world only to be admired by dictators.

    I know Democrats aren't perfect, and Democrat presidents have made a lot of mistakes for which they should apologize for, but I don't think democrats need to apologize for their election of their presidents, because all presidents make mistakes. But, Trump, he's in a special class of awful, I mean, like, he's a pariah. He's going down in history as the worst president, ever, and this is absolutely irrefutable.

    Republicans should apologize to every human on planet earth for their election of Donald Trump.

    If you do, history will forgive you and be much kinder to you.
     
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    Obama liked Kilimnik. Manafort and Kilimnik worked together and Obama knew all about it.

    Obama worked with Kilimnik more than Trump did.
     
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    It has been widely assumed that all Russian diplomats are spies.

    The question is, did Obama, knowing this, pass sensitive information to Killimnik?

    We know that Manafort did. As an operative in the Field, he had to have known Killimnik was a spy.

    but, I don't think you have evidence that Obama did.

    That Manafort passed key voter demographic data to Killimnik was discovered only recently.
     
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    We can assume he did.
    Now a 'Russian Spy,' Kilimnik Traded Info With Obama Officials
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2...traded_info_with_obama_officials_521276.html#!

    "A few lines later, Kasanof's (US embassy official) email offered Kilimnik some valuable inside skinny about the Obama administration's assessment of a sensitive meeting between indicted fugitive Ukrainian oligarch Dmitri Firtash's associate Yuriy Boyko and Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland."

    There's always a quid pro quo with spies. Kilimnik worked for Obama's state department for years.
    Manafort really didn't do squat. And he was never charged for colluding with Russia, lol.
     
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    We didn't assume Manafort gave sensitive info to Killimnik. We discovered that after he was pardoned.

    You can assume anything you want, I don't.

    Obama doesn't strike me as Putin's useful idiot like Trump does, sorry.
     
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    Seems like the article proves he did on at least one instance, lol.

    "I'll have more flexibility after the election." - Obama
     
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    Dont say all republicans. By now, we know the good pubs from the bad ones. Sadly, this is a party that has been hijacked by a very shrewd, devious, wicked and corrupt man and most of congress doesnt have what it takes to stand up to him. So Dont hold your breath on Trump supporter apologies. Remember, a few of these stormed the capital.
     
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    Trump became a billionaire renting real estate.....

    Now he lives in liberal's heads rent free.

    Sad.

    Now we have a potato-brained idiot in the White House who has managed to effectively **** over every retiree, want-to-be retiree and even the not-so-swift millennials by devaluing the dollar/causing systemic inflation that will scar the country for a lifetime. That POS has caused the amount needed for retirement to rise by about $1M in the 6 friggin months he's been destroying the country.

    You've just witnessed the largest tax hike in 50 years without even raising the tax rates.
     
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    The Mueller report found no conspiracy or collusion with the Russian Government, that is all.
     
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    Which was later discovered to be incomplete.

    Collusion has been established Manafort to Spy.
     
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    How is the weather up there wherever your reality resides.
     
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    Don't forget democrat Swalwell sleeping with Chinese spy Fang Fang. When the FBI closed in he alerted Fang Fang so she could flee the country. The MSM mostly ignored the story as did all democrats and many republicans. The Chinese have bought off many, many people in the USA.
     
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    I believe it was Mueller who first revealed Manafort had given internal, proprietary polling data to Kilimnik. But Mueller was somewhat vague about Kilimnik's association with Russia. Subsequently, the Senate intel committee report identified Kilimnik as a Russian intel operative. Then it was reported Kilimnik had in fact passed the polling data to the Russian government.

    https://apnews.com/article/donald-t...tin-kilimnik-d2fdefdb37077e28eba135e21fce6ebf
     
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    Yeah no thanks.
     
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    I'd trade an apology from you folks for an acceptance of the facts.
     
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    I’ll take that trade as soon as you allow us a signature verification audit.

    I’ll accept the facts AND hand out an apology after that.
     
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    Laughable. Manafort's giving the polling data colluded nothing and conspired nothing. Such that the government itself didn't bother with it(government, in this case as you know meaning the prosecution.) And it had every opportunity to allege as such.

    We were a headless chicken for 2 1/2 years, there was no collusion, coordination or conspiracy regarding Hillary's/DNC's hacked emails. We have but one of two things we can admit to: Either an elaborate ruse to manipulate the justice system, or the greatest intelligence incompetence we'd seen since 9/11.

    The watchdogs chose to give us the incompetence excuse, but if that's the reality it's all the more reason they shouldn't have that power again.
     
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    Obama gave Kilimnik information, too, as I've proven. Because he was a source for the State Department, lol. So either Obama was incompetent, or they changed the narrative around Kilimnik to bolster the shock value of otherwise meaningless news.
     
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    It was Killimniks passing info to the Kremlin that was confirmed.

    However, that should have been assumed from the get-go, but for purposes of indictments, it has to be determined.

    I think this is sufficient to accuse Trump of 'collusion' ( at least in the court of public opinion ) as this idea that Trump didn't know about it is absurd.
     
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    There were Russians everywhere in Trump's campaign. He solicited their help. They gave it, and when they gave it, he welcomed it.

    And then we have Manafort colluding with a Russian spy who passed the proprietary voter demographics to the Kremlin who used the data to help Trump.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/08/19/yes-there-was-collusion/
     
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