Republicans should have fixed the Impeachment process when they had the chance.

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  1. robini123

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    Been listening to the Republicans valid arguments against the impeachment process yet I have no pity for them when they knew the process is flawed and did nothing to change it when the held the Executive Branch and the Legislative Branch, the two branches of government needed to amend the Constitution.
     
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    They were hoping to use it against Obama. Instant Karma.
     
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    Republicans should have fixed alot of things when they had congress
    The last republican house was more like an outhouse!
     
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    It’s kind of hard to delete the founder’s examples of impeachable offenses, like bribery. And that is expressly what the Ukraine debacle is about—the quid pro quo is bribery.

    Now we get to listen to rationalizations of why bribery is not an impeachable offense. Lovely.
     
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    Quid pro quo is not synonymous with bribery. When you purchase cloths are you committing bribery? Of course not. International relationships are transactional and there is nothing wrong with that... in most cases. But to hold up military aid to an ally in an attempt to get them to investigate an American politicians political rival certainly rises to the level of bribery by my measure and it is unethical to boot.
     
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    "I would like you to do us a favor though." Top of page 3, https://www.washingtonpost.com/cont...elensky/4b228f51-17e7-45bc-b16c-3b2643f3fbe0/

    Reader will also find this in the transcript of the July 25 call.

    Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor of New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General.· :Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great. The other thing, there's a lot of.talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me.

    A lot of people, including Trump himself, have overlooked that part of the phone call.
     
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    The top U.S. diplomat in Ukraine, Bill Taylor, told House impeachment investigators last month that Trump directed officials to tie military aid to Ukraine to demands that the country open politically advantageous probes for him, according to a transcript of his testimony made public today.

    It also contains new details about the language Taylor used in describing the White House's attempted quid pro quo with Ukraine that shed light on his level of concern about the matter.

    For example, Taylor said he and others "sat in astonishment" as a White House Office of Management and Budget official said during a July 18 inter-agency call that Trump had ordered a hold on military assistance to Ukraine, according to the transcript.

    Taylor stated in plain and clear language that he felt the military aid to Ukraine had been directly tied to Ukraine opening investigations into the Burisma energy company — .code for Hunter Biden and his father, Trump's likely political opponent in November of next year — as well as a conspiracy theory about alleged Ukrainian interference in the 2016 election.

    "That was my clear understanding, security assistance money would not come until the president [of Ukraine] committed to pursue the investigation," Taylor said, according to the transcript.

    It doesn't get any clearer than that.
     
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    You didn't tell us how it is flawed.

    You didn't tell us how to amend the Constitution.

    Why do Trump's fans have a problem explaining themselves?
     
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    It is flawed because the guilt or innocence of the accused is based upon the political affiliation of the accused, who holds the House and who holds the senate. In other words partisans are deciding the fate of a partisan in a process riddled to the core with bias on both sides.

    As for how to amend the constitution I do not know the precise mechanics yet know that it can be done.

    As for your question about Trump fans, they have a problem explaining themselves for the same reason democrats do which is that their views tend to be emotionally based, paper thin thus impossible to speak about with concision. Do not assume that I am a Trump fan as I am not. But neither am I a fan of the left as they are every bit as corrupt as the right. Bias makes each side oblivious to their own hypocrisy.
     
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    Don't you know? Haven't you heard?

    Donnie is innocent and those big mean whistleblowers are just jealous of his luxurious hair and his mail-order wife. The libruls clearly are just angry that he won the election in 2016. This is their revenge, I tell you! It's all part of the deep state plot to overthrow the god-fearing white Christian minority!
     
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    Republicans all but wrote the process rules when Clinton got impeached....why change it now?
     
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    The impeachment process seems fine to me.

    The Dems are doing a wonderful jobs of destroying themselves as they make a mockery of the impeachment process.
     
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    Before anyone claims that a failed Impeachment of Clinton (over lying about a BJ yet) cost Republicans...remember that they won the White House not much after...
     
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    That is ridiculous. The guilt or innocence of the accused is based on the actions of the accused.

    I noticed that you completely avoided the tiny fraction of evidence against Trump that I provided. You have completely avoided the evidence contained in the various threads concerned with the impeachment inquiry.

    You are not alone. Nearly all of Trump's fans are avoiding the threads dealing with the impeachment inquiry. Like you, they don't want to hear it.
     
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    yes
    sadly.... our ethical compass got the boot long ago and now is barely even a matter of nostalgia


    Judge orders Trump to pay $2 million for misusing his foundation
    https://apple.news/AVme94LfDQfupGfegqCD9cg

    Our president set up a personal charity.... then used that charity to fund his presidential campaign. It hardly gets more disgusting, or less ethical than that

    and the truly astonishing thing is that such headlines pop up on a daily basis so that it seems normal
     
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    "The guilt or innocence of the accused is based on the actions of the accused." Not in a partisan impeachment process that allows bias on both sides into the proceedings. The mere fact that the Republican controlled Senate will find Trump innocent speaks to the partisan bias of the process. You are blinded by bias my friend as we are on the same side in that we agree that the evidence against Trump is overwhelming. I stand against Trump but your bias has you implying that I am a Trump fan. Abandon bias my friend and embrace objectivity... or remain a partisan blinded by bias, the choice is yours. Mistaking an ally an adversary is illogical by my measure of logic.
     
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    Both sides are going low. The Republicans and Democrats are rotten to the core with bias and each claim to place country first but in reality they place loyalty to party first. If Republicans were placing country first then they would see that allowing one who has a vested interest (Trump) in the outcome of an investigation is to openly invite bias into the investigation and they would stand against such a breach of ethics. If Democrats were placing America first they would not have been looking for ways to undermine Trump at every turn. The left and right are acting like selfish entitled brats that do not know how to come together for the betterment of the Nation. I am disappointing in both.
     
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    I’ve heard conservatives accuse liberals of wanting to eat babies. You really believe they thought impeachment to be a bridge too far? They just couldn’t fathom losing the house and likely wanted the option for the next President they didn’t like.
     
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    So forgetting that the Dems have been out to get Trump, problematic I agree, do you believe they have a point now about Trump’s fitness for office?
     
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    From day one it was obvious to me that Trump is possibly the most morally and ethically bankrupt president of my lifetime, perhaps more so than Nixon. I understand why the left has been so desperate to oust Trump, yet they themselves have acted in immoral and unethical ways to facilitate that. If Republicans and Democrats were truly guided by ethics and loyalty to country then Trump would be kicked out of office. But as team Trump justifies Trump's obviously biased investigation into Biden they will give Trump a pass when if Trump were a Democrat they would hang him out to dry.
     
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    I certainly agree with this.
    I hold no delusion that, short of a damn miracle, Trump will be removed from office. I’m just happy the American people will finally have a chance in the next elections to know who they’re voting for, truly know. That goes for all elected officials up on the block next November.
     
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    or... the Republicans never expected the Democrats to abuse the process so significantly. Who would have thought you could use an anonymous "Whistle Blower" that works closely with multiple Democratic Operatives, that used 2nd hand information, illegally shared it to Schiff's Office, to start Impeachment?
     
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    Conservatives have accused liberals of wanting to eat babies. You really believe they thought this to be a bridge too far? They just couldn’t fathom losing the house and wanted the process the way it is so they could abuse it for their own purposes.
     
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