Republicans should oppose Trump's power grab!!!!

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Republicans, be warned.

    What Trump wants to do to build his wall, will come back to haunt you in a BIG way, if you let it happen.

    Trump wants to take seized drug money, and military money, and other money and use it for a purpose that has been SPECIFICALLY rejected by Congress.

    Congress has rejected a wall, paid for by the taxpayers. Even when the Republicans controlled both houses, they still rejected a wall.

    The job of of the President is to execute the will of Congress, and the spending approved by Congress. Its what the Constitution says, its what our Founding Fathers wanted.

    Instead, Trump wants to use Congressionally approved money for a purpose specifically rejected by Congress.

    Now, you may approve of the wall. You even may approve of what Trump wants to do with his emergency powers, but think about this.

    If Trump does this, and the Supreme Court says "ok", than Pandora's Box is wide open!!!

    Next time there is a Democrat President, he can decide there is a national healthcare emergency and take $100 billion from the military and use it to pay for Medicare for all folks age 40 and up. Or he could take $50 billion from the military and use it to pay for all college students tuition, after declaring a "education debt emergency".

    Is this the kind of power you want to give Democrat Presidents? Cause thats exactly what will happen if Congress allows this and the Supreme Court approves it.

    Any Democrat President can declare ANY sort of emergency he likes, and take as much money he wants from any unrelated program to spend on anything he wants, even if the idea has been clearly rejected by Congress.

    You really want that? God I hope not.

    cause if you guys let this happen, then you'll have to accept it when a Democrat does the same thing.

    so choose wisely!!!!
     
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    YourBrainIsGod Well-Known Member

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    This assumes the Republicans will ever be honest for 5 minutes. They’ll flip if the situation is reversed.
     
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    Well Democrats control Congress. If they think this is a power grab they can repeal the National Emergencies Act, which gave Trump this power in the first place. Let's see them propose some legislation.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh the Democrats control the Senate do they??????????
     
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    I think every Democrat candidate should be asked if they would declare a national emergency for health care gun control or global warming and what their declaration would entail.
     
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    Screw the Republicans. They are not even a legit party anymore. They are here to funnel money and attack democracy as it stands in the way of their funneling the money. They need to finally crash and burn.
     
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    Anyone who thinks that the democrats wouldn't try to pass a national emergency to gun grab or implement all kinds of harsh environmental regulations on the American public are fools. Even if trump didn't declare a national emergency they would still try it and you are a fool if you think they wouldn't.

    "Just win baby" is their moto.
     
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    What power grab?Trying to reinforce the porous US border isn"t power grab.Common sense is to try to stop hordes of illegals entering the country.Uncontrollable number of people from 3rd world countries is a burden for any society.
     
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    Trump is grabbing the power that the illegal immigrants are trying to take from Americans and the America haters are mad.
     
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    they're not so much 'america' haters as they are freedom haters, socialists hate free thinkers and would rather the masses be subserviants to the elite... a direct contradiction to what they claim...
     
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    You mean they might do something bad?

    Maybe they could call it "DACA" or "Obamacare".
     
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    Keep this in mind:

    By "power grab", what they mean is: "this guy's trying to enforce US immigration law and must be stopped".
     
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    I’ll oppose trump’s going around congress, if Democrats time travel, and oppose Obama when he did the same thing for the Iran deal. Deal?

    Yeah, hypocrisy for everyone!!
     
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    Democrats claim they want a secure border and are against illegal immigration, while they make sanctuary cities and encourage more illegal immigration by offering them benefits paid for by Americans.
     
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    They control the House. Are you for or against repealing the National Emergencies Act?
     
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    If I’m a democrat hell no im not repealing the act I’m hoping it makes it’s way successfully through court. Downside he gets his wall, upside this can be used to do things they want plus anything that grows the gubmint is good.
     
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    :roflol:

    Do you actually think they could get 2/3rds (in Both Houses) to override a veto?
     
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    Yep, false flag being held by a straw man.

    An attempt of being warned and scared off about future events when I remember the old ones quite well.
     
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    and thats why these rules exist, to prevent idiots from overthrowing the gov... where were all of you during the 'pen & a phone' end runs??? and now its ok by precedent to sue on every eo of future prezs, you guys (dems lefties) screwed yourselves yet again cause even if you manage to take the whitehouse in 2020, you'll be sued for every single word spoken, every action taken... the real losers are the peoples of america...
     
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    This is really, to me, the crux of the situation:

    Congress has rejected a wall, paid for by the taxpayers. Even when the Republicans controlled both houses, they still rejected a wall.

    The job of of the President is to execute the will of Congress, and the spending approved by Congress. Its what the Constitution says, its what our Founding Fathers wanted.

    Instead, Trump wants to use Congressionally approved money for a purpose specifically rejected by Congress.

    We can go round and round about pandora's box, but we should stay focused on the here and now. Is anyone okay with a POTUS who uses congressionally approved money for a purpose rejected by both Dems and Reps?
     
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    The problem with your rant is that Congress just passed funding a wall so they have a weak argument that they don't want a wall. Also, the Administration has about $5 billion in spending before it ever gets to the funding from the National Emergency.

    Problem for Congress is that they gave these powers to the President and they also gave themselves an out so there is little for the courts to address.
     
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    Or the DACA scam
     
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    It would be interesting if Trump used confiscated drug money to secure the border. I would love to see the alt-lefties complain about that source of money put to good use.
     
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    I think trump can do that by executive order
     
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    It actually can't. Despite Pelosi's threat of using it to ban guns or institute the Green Dream, the act allows money to be moved around, not overturning statutory law or the constitution.
     

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