Republicans will have to run on Trump®Care in November, 2018

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    That'll be the equivalent of traipsing barefoot over a marathon route of glass shards and razor blades
    Remember when Trump pulled "something terrific!" Trump®Care that covers "everybody!" at "lower cost!" out of his bountiful butt? (That panacea would follow his "immediate!" repeal of 'ObamaCare')

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    You don't have to be a Trump®U PhD to recognize the vast gap between his BS and reality.

    In November, 2016,
     
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  2. Spooky

    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He did what he could, the fault is with Congress, not Trump.

    He gets high marks on this.
     
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    We don't have Trump Care. What are you babbling about?
     
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    the argument goes that anything not the great and wonderful Obamacare is Trumpcare because Trump and Republicans made the great and wonderful Obamacare less great and wonderful.

    (as if Obamacare was great and wonderful...)
     
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    Medicare for all is honestly the only sensible idea that's possible to implement in the near future. The rest of the first world does it and it works. There's no argument against universal healthcare in America other than "muh taxes" (hint: you have to pay for health insurance anyway and economies of scale mean that everyone on the same insurance is cheaper) and "muh death panels" (hint: that has literally never ****ing happened, you need to stop watching fox news because it's making you stupid and gullible)
     
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    Democrats don't have anything to run on. Ambiguous gender rights, allowing boys into the girls locker rooms, open borders and sanctuary cities doesn't sound like a winner to me. Hillary refuses to go away and is still crying and blaming everyone but herself which is fine. I hope she keeps at it until after the midterms.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...-misogyny-fbi-sexism-nra-russia-for-2016-loss
    4/4/2018
     
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    Trump Care is just like Obamacare but without the mandated tax penalty if you don't have insurance.
     
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    I suspect that extending medicare is what is going to happen. Obama tried a 'centrist' path to universal healthcare & the GOP killed it. There is still a big constituency for universal healthcare and the next attempt will be via extending medicare. You will end up with a mixed system in some ways like Australia has, with the government providing or subsidizing basic universal care and private health care providing improved access & paying the bits government doesn't cover.
     
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    Trump and the Republicans through their usual attempts at sabotage have certainly added to the mess, but Democrats are going to have to explain how THEY'LL tackle the problem. They can't run on making Obamacare go back to the way it was, because that was crap too. Democrats may soon find themselves in the same position the Republicans did last year, where they ran health care as an issue but didn't actually have any plans on what to do about it. Watching those Republicans last year, it was like none of them actually expected that they would be replacing Obamacare. They all looked like deer in headlights and you could almost visibly see them realizing "Hey wait a second, this was just what we said to get votes, we didn't actually make any plans on how to do it. **** **** ****".

    Forget about "Something Terrific!", they could barely muster a "something" at all.

    Democrats had better plan ahead to avoid the same folly because that hot mess sure made the Republicans look like unprepared dunces, with the Toddler-in-Chief there tweeting to make sure there wasn't any room for doubt about it.
     
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    Still not entirely clear why Trump and co. decided it was a good idea to deliberately jack up premiums while they were in power. But yeah, I could see that figuring into the election.
     
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    Trump has been undercutting the ACA since the election.

    The special election in Pennsylvania went to the Dems because voters ( commented on tape interview ) were upset over Trump attempting to repeal the ACA.
     
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    No Trump care wouldn't cover existing conditions.

    Trump and Republicans only offered trash health care options that would leave millions uninsured....
     
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    The ACA was the gift that kept on giving. Since its enactment, the Democratic Party has lost over 1,000 legislative seats. The ACA was the big stick that conservatives beat the blue dog Democrats to the point of extinction. The ACA has caused most health insurance premiums to skyrocket and the cheaper plans had such high deductibles that poor people are now functionally uninsured. Co-pays are so high that a significant portion of Americans are no longer participating in preventative medicine. This lack of preventative medicine is showing up as a reduction in the average lifespan of Americans.

    Because the ACA is called by most every American as Obamacare, I am not sure how any voter is going to blame this abomination on anyone but the party that enacted it. If the American voters are going to react negatively towards Trump and the Republicans, it will be because they failed to repeal the worst piece of legislation since the fugitive Slave Act.
     
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    What we need is to have each state have laws and help from the fed to build their own statewide single payer option.

    Id rather see no government involvement or help than federal government single payer. Last thing we need is people in states across the country like CA dictating how our healthcare should work. At least with a state option, you can petition for change ot move if you dont like it or something about it.
     
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    States are free to enact their own single payer programs. It's interesting that even the bluest states have failed to do so.
     
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    The ACA framework was created by " the gang of 6 " 3 Republicans and 3 Dems. The Republicans had 160 amendments to the ACA.

    The ACA was a Bi-Partisan Bill even though no Republican voted for it they worked hard to create it.

    Once it looked like Trump was going to repeal the law.......... voters began fighting to keep it.

    Now it's a issue Trump uses to rally it's base like the wall which only is only for Trumps Hard Right supporters
     
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    Well, there was the way they promised and the way it turned out. ACA went though a process and is now Trumpcare and the only change they were able to get through was to get rid of the penalty for lack of health insurance.
     
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    Trumpcare didn't live up to Spanks promise of Better, Cheaper Healthcare for all.

    Of that it was cheaper........however basically healthcare for the young & healthy

    Then Trump took away the Health Care Deduction with the Wealth Shift Legislation
     
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    Maybe it's because states cannot just make money out of thin air to cover the costs. I do think there needs to be a baseline supplemental program from the fed government to start a bare bones insurance program that covers only the top five diseases plaguing our country. I think if a supplemental program were enacted it would help the states start a program.
     
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    Well you're right that it's all about the Benjamins. But there are already supplemental programs. The federal government has Medicare, which is old age health insurance. That's the most expensive part of the population that states don't have to worry about. Plus the very poor are covered by Medicaid, and poor children can be covered by sCHIP. So that's three supplemental programs.

    The truth is the single payer advocates are lying about the true expense of what they want, and the proof is that Colorado, Vermont, and California; very blue States that had actual single payer legislation, ultimately decided to forego it because they didn't, even with those Federal supplements, want to pay for it.
     
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    Yes, TrumpCare is up for a vote.
     
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    Technically, of course you are accurate, but it isn't going to matter because it is strictly a Democratic Party bill in the minds of almost all voters because only Democrats voted for it, as you have pointed out.

    The framework of the bill is completely unimportant. Ninety nine percent of all voters know nothing about how the bill was created except for Nancy Pelosi's "You have to vote for it to know what is inside of it" statement, and of course, it was named Obamacare. And of course, the Democrats have been punished for this bill over and over again and they will continue to be punished whenever a family member has to come up with $20,000 out of pocket for a medical procedure that used to cost $250 before the ACA was passed. Furthermore, since the ACA was passed, most Americans are paying a whole lot more for insurance premiums for policies which give you a whole lot less in benefits.

    The point being, the ACA was a complete and utter disaster for the Democratic Party, and the notion of the OP, that republicans are going to get punished for changing it in any way is simply unsupportable by the evidence we have available on the subject.
     
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    ACA, aka TrumpCare, is going to be a torpedo into Republican campaigns.
     
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    You will say that about every election the democrats win but face it, its the mid-terms and they are out of power, they are supposed to pick up seats, it would go against history if they didn't.

    It has nothing to do with anything Trump did or is doing, it has to do with the political cycle.
     
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    You can wiggle all you want, Spooky, but it matters not.

    Indeed, Trump being Trump does greatly affect the political cycle.

    He is the reason the Dems are going to clean up.
     

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