Resolved: Legal Access to Abortion is Necessary for the Freedom and Equality of Women"

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Bluesguy, Mar 30, 2022.

  1. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    That's like saying accidental death as intentional homicide.
     
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    Neither the church, the state or any individual should interfere with the woman's right to decide FREELY what is best in her wider, and generally unknown context.
    And let me be clear. I hate the idea of abortion. But I hate the idea of the tyranny that forces an individual to make choices that conflict with their consciences more. People women have never met are conflicted by some legislation created and voted on by more people she has never met, is the stuff of fascistic state overreach.
    Matters of conscience should begin and end with your own.
     
  3. Ritter

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    Define morality. My bet is you can't, but you might surprise me.
     
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    Regard pregnancy as a special case and reserve decision making to the pregnant person. No need to generalize, distort or transfer the question to other topics or categories. Only a minority of humans can get pregnant. They aren't going to take over the world and make anyone else act according to their judgement. Simply allow this decision and all its responsibilities to be that of the individual in her special situation.
     
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    I'm not contradicting myself. You seem confused and angry.
     
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    Morality is a universal understanding of what is right and wrong. It is objective, as determined by our creator, not subjective, as determined by human fads that come and go.
     
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    LOL, so I should stop dancing because someone else thinks it's immoral ??? LOLOL.....Have you checked with all your neighbors to see if YOU are doing something THEY deem immoral ???





    Uh, that would be YOUR "creator"....other people have different ideas..


    Yup, from person to person morals waiver and change ....they are like farts in the wind .....
     
  8. Pixie

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    Just seriously disappointed when someone so disrespecting the particular right to make your own moral decisions. I include the state, the fairh/religion and anyone who uses either of the above to enforce their own opinion on someone they know nothing about.
     
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    Attack because you have nothing else????? Looks like it...
     
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    Nor is it decided by a mythological human creation.
    It has been created by humans as a way to sustain its own existence. However it changes with time. It used to be immoral for a woman to show an ankle. I suppose you think that should still be the case.
     
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    You don't think you are because you haven't thought this through properly. You are merely the mouthpiece of someone else.
     
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    Well that's one opinion, a sad, pathetic opinion.
     
  13. Pixie

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    Why sad and pathetic?
     
  14. mswan

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    It indicates you fear your ideas can't survive open discourse, thus angry rejections of opposing views.
     
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    Attack because you have nothing else????? Looks like it...
     
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    Ans when did you gain your PhD in psychology?
    I would indicate that your unyielding, non flexible position is about as blockheaded as one can be and does great harm to personal freedom and intelligent discussion.
    I OTOH have displayed a flexible approach which relies on the guaranteed USA freedoms written into your early documents of state, and which were very much about NOT allowing the state in any form to dominate personal liberties. It is what your second amendment is based on.
    For you and those like you who quote doctrine without proof, you are moving against that principle and would happily embrace someone/thing to tell you how to live your life. That indicates weakness and a tenancy to need to rely on someone else.
    Well mate, you be a slave to someone else if you want to.
    I am not the only one who refuses to accept such tyranny.
     
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    Now are you going to show us all how flexible and empathetic you think you are and rephrase your post that declared abortion to be murder, to include "in my opinion"?
     
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    More anger.
     
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    Attack because you have nothing else????? Looks like it...
     
  20. Pixie

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    Off topic.
    Clearly you have run out of anything to say in your own defence.

    One last thing.
    IMO no man has the right to legislate or pontificate about abortion.
    Like you they don't know what they are talking about.
     
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    Directly on topic, specifically your effort to delegitimize opposing opinions on the topic.
     
  22. Pixie

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    It wasn't an opinion.
    It was a declaration.
    If it was an opinion you can repeat the post and make it clear it was an opinion.
     
  23. mswan

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    Here is an opinion and a fact. A woman killing her baby for her convenience is an essential part of her freedom. it's child sacrifice, It's a selfish, immoral act.
     
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    Not quite right. Morality is neither set of restraints nor a set of commandments. Morality, in its proper and objective form, is a system of principles to helo you guide your choices so that you act to live and enjoy your own life in the best way possible.

    It is not a set of dos and don'ts. You have to think in order to be moral and stick to the judgement of your reason.

    It is indeed objective, but if comes from "our creator" it means is subjective as it holds that whatever "God" asserts or command is right because he commands it. "Because God said so" is not an objective argument.

    If you "love thy neighbour because God said so" despite you knowing he beats his wife and abuses his children, are you really being moral?

    If Putin asks you to lick his arse, is that then moral because he said so? And if you lick his arse out of fear of the consequences of not doing so, are you really being moral or are you just scared for your life and act out of duty?

    The Abrahamic God even asked men to kill their own, born sons, so it is rather hypocritical of him to think a woman should not abort her not-yet-born son, no? Heck, God even allowed his own son to die for something he did not do and this to be regarded as the highest form of morality? Give me a friggen break. Lots of "Gods" throughout hisotry have advocated the most insane of anti-life actions and call those moral just because he/she(it/they said so, is completely second-handed and anti-moral.

    Aborting an unwanted pregnancy is moral because it is a choice with the goal of gaining or keeping a value the woman wants to pursue. She has determined motherhood is not for her and she wants to be able to enjoy her own life to the fullest. If the same woman does not have an abortion because she is scared of what "God" will say or because God already said abortion is bad, she is actually being immoral. She is acting against her own survival and is giving up her own judgement to the words of an alleged "Omnipotent Consciousness" no one has ever even seen and she is acting out of fear of the consequences rather than out of optimising her own surivival based on her own and careful thinking.
     
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    There is only one God, the God of the Bible, the creator of the universe.
     

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