Resolved: Legal Access to Abortion is Necessary for the Freedom and Equality of Women"

Which one is it?

Are ypu saying it would be moral if she did it for her inconvenience?

All jokes aside, abortion does not involve the "killing of a child" and it certainly not "child sacrifice" since there is neither 'child' nor 'sacrifice' ivolved. A ZEF is not a child and giving up something you do not want for something you do want is not a sacrifce -- You do not say that you "sacrifice cavities for a healthy smile", do you?

Abortion is indeed an essential part of a woman's freedom -- The freedom to live her life the way she desires. She has the full rights to her own body and no one has the right to demand from her that she gives up her own values to instead aim for. If she does not want to be a mother, that is her right. She also has the right to have sex with as many consenting adults as she wants and there is nothing you or "God" can do about it. Not in a civilised society at least.

I will tell what I ahve told your anti-abortion allies; Do not turn The West into Saudi Arabia because you like Saudi Arabia, move to Saudi Arabia yourself and leave us alone.

 

So you can't actually refute anything that I said?? Got it.

 

Which one? The one that wants a Pope or the one that does not? The one that believes in Joseph Smith or that one branch that says birthday celebrations are evil?

There are 1000's of "Biblical Gods" because what "God" is and what he says is entirely up to the subjective whims of the leader and/or interpretation of the individual follower.

 

I can:
1. COVID-regulations came under Trump.
2. Why is the Right pro-protests all of a sudden? When "tHe LeFt" was smashing windows and destroying property you called them out for it, but when truckers block the roads so people cannot move around freely or when nutjobs storm the Capital you cheer them on.

Is Putin a "tYrAnNicAl LiBerAl" too now? He if anyone knows one or two things about shutting down protests.

My main point was that your post contained nothing to refute. It just echoes that same old right-wing obsession with "dEfEaTinG tHe LeFt" rather than focusing on the positives and actually presenting something good. There is no difference between Right and Left and today's Leftists will be tomorrow's Rightists as has always been the case.

 

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Because you are pretending not to know things, as any good liberal does. Beto has openly come out saying that he wants to take guns away, as have other liberals. We have already witnessed how easy it is for liberals in government to put sanctions on Canadian Freedom Truckers as well as most recently on Russia as a whole. Think they can't do that to YOU? Do you realize just how easy that would be with a centralized digital currency (and digital ID) system?

I already have.

No they don't, as evidenced in my list of items. Forcing masks and jabs on people, lest they lose their job, is not respecting personal choice.

 

Inconvenience? Abortion can be justified and moral if done for medical necessity.

 

You're mistaken. God is ineffable and man can only describe him in terms of how He manifests Himself in the world, as creator, as father, judge, as protector, as comforter, etc. But He is always what He is, not solely what man describes Him as in a particular situation.

 

Who gets to define what "medically necessary" means? And why should that even be the standard? Doesn't a woman own her own life?

 

Yes. Give up your reason to blind faith and bow down for the authoritarian daddy in heaven no one has ever seen. Great.

What on Earth does any of this even mean? Sounds borderline postmodern to me.

So it is a "He" at least? Did you see his ******* to confirm that? And if he is what he is, tell me what it is that he is. You just said he is ineffeble and now you are implying he is not

 

Ah, yes. The "freedom loving" Righist who without any sense of embarrassment apologises for freedom-hating dictators and rub their backs because "at least they are not leftists". Ugh. You people disgust me.

Russia is a sh-thole country.

This is the exact same type of behaviour we saw from Leftists who were cheering for Castro, Chavez and Mao when that was cool.

You are all the same and you do not even realise it.

 

I think medical doctors can make that determination. Of course a woman owns her own life, but the newly created human being also has his/her own life

 

There is no "newly created human being". Those are created at birth.

What if the doctor says at 8 months then? Is he right because he is a doctor? Or is he just right when he says what your God allegedly said?

Where was this strong belief in doctors during COVID and vaccination times from your pals on the Right btw? I thought you did not like medicine and regarded science as largely infiltrated by woke-commies out to destroy "traditional values".

 

Human life is created at conception. Doctors are in the best position to decide when both lives are safe, and one will have to be sacrificed to safe the other.

 

That is simply not true. There is no light shining down from heaven at conception. A ZEF is just a potential human being and that potential is only actualised once it is born. There are so many steps that follow conception for birth to happen that it is flat out ignorant to claim that a new human being is created at conception.

If you truly want doctors to determine when abortion is OK you will be very, very, very disappointed because most of them agree with me (thankfully).

A woman's life is never safe during pregnancy though.

 

What else does it have the potential to become? A ZEF is exactly what a human being is at that stage of development. It is never not a human Life.

 

It has the potnetial to become a newborn, but it also has the potential of becoming a stillborn or a miscarriage. For that time of being it is a ZEF and nothing but a ZEF, it is - as you put it - exactly what it is at that stage. An acorn is not a piece of oak furniture.


If you want to conflate the potential with the actual you might as well say that the newborn baby girl is a mother and should have all the responsibilities that a mother has because "it is exactly what amother is at that stage of development". Do you see how ridiculous that argument is now?

 

A baby who dies in stillbirth or miscarriage is still a human life until it dies. If it is intentionally killed, that is an immoral act.

 

Well, it is not a human life if it is dead, is it?

Murder is immoral, but abortion is not murder.

 

I doubt it.

Did they come FROM Trump?? Or maybe, just maybe, did they come from Democrat governors/mayors/bureaucracies??

The Right has always been supportive of the 1st Amendment right to peaceably assemble (which includes protests).

Correct. They were not protesting. They were rioting.

They didn't block the roads. They left openings for emergency vehicles. It was a peaceful protest (no rioting involved).

No, I've condemned the instances in which liberals have stormed and vandalized State capitols. I've also condemned BLM, Antifa, and the FBI for infiltrating the January 6th peaceful protest at DC.

Putin is a socialist.

Okay.

You are now in paradox.

[1] I can refute your post.
[2] Your post contains nothing to refute.

You are now arguing irrationally.

Nope. Obviously you didn't read it, otherwise you'd know what it was about. Also try to say something of substance, as "the positives" and "something good" are meaningless words that aren't making any point whatsoever.

Yes there is. One such difference is that the Right (conservatives) honor and defend the Constitution while the Left (liberals) **** all over it. There is little difference between the liberals within the Democrat Party and the liberals within the Republican Party (aka "RINOs") though.

Nope.

 

Indeed I am.

I have never done any such thing. Do not make up positions that I have not taken.

Russia is doing fine economically, despite the best efforts of the "five-eyes" countries to economically cancel them. In fact, the former USA is currently causing their own demise because they are pressuring Russia and their economic allies to move away from the petro dollar. Thanks Democrats...

Leftists still cheer for those people and their flawed ideologies.

Nope. Not at all.

 

He described a 22 week abortion. That's WAY later than usual. Approximately 1% of abortions are that late. And even then, nothing he described demonstrates it's murder. It was just graphic with bodies parts and such. The wrongness of abortion isn't based upon whether a leg, arm, face, or heartbeat are present. These do not make a person. It's whether there was a mind capable of feeling pain, having rudimentary thoughts/experiences. At 22 weeks, that's on the early side of when it may be possible for a person to be there, so that is a bit late for abortion. If he was rational, he would have just stopped doing late abortions. He was clearly being emotionally driven.

 

Probably not when all things come around.

You do see a looot of it on the right though.

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The West are weak and pathetic and have been way too nice with Russia despite all of their shannagans over the years. And, no. They are mot doing well at all.

If only America and The West were not pathetic anti--capitalists and instead started fracking and opening powerplants, Russia and stoneage Arabs would be toast. But, we are too buy committing suicide and cuddling with dictators.

Yes, just like the Right does with Putin, Orban and Trump. Garbage followers on both sides.

Whatever. This is way off topic and we better stop.

 

There is something approaching dishonesty in selective examples of very insignificant issues to proclaim a universal principle you accuse millions of people of holding.

 

Trump

https://www.businessinsider.com/don...d-stanley-chera-elmhurst-hospital-book-2022-4

 

I'm fine with you having your religion, and living by it.

But, you have NO RIGHT to use government to impose your religion on others.