Reuters Russia calls U.S. an adversary, warns its warships to avoid Crimea

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  1. Moi621

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    Hopefully a respect for history
    if not a warning, not to assume . . .


    Hey @zoom_copter66
    What is your :flagcanada: analysis! eh


    Beware the :flagcanada: Russis Polar Alliance
     
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    Seems like everyone wants influence over the Ukraine/Black Sea region. I’m guessing there are a lot of resources there of some sort. I wonder if any new ones were discovered recently in the last decade or so to make both East and West so invested in the region. Or is it just politics? I’ll have to dig around for answers.
     
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    For some inexplicable reason, in 2012, maybe even earlier than that? Obama decided Ukraine belonged in NATO. There's no doubt in my mind Obama's State dept. at least funded the coup staged against Yanukovych. Biden's picked up the torch, and brought back Susan Rice as one of his policy advisors. Biden really needs to RECUSE himself from anything involving Ukraine. The attraction for Biden can't be about NATO. Ukraine was neutral and declined under Yanukovych, and has remained neutral. If Biden's justification is Ukraine offers "strategic advantage" that's a provocation.
     
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    What a bunch of malarkey, as Biden would say. But seriously, I can't come up with anything a person could say that would scream, "I know nothing about politics!" more loudly, than saying that one thinks that our President needs to RECUSE HIMSELF, regarding some brewing, international showdown or crisis. He's our Commander-In-Chief; he CANNOT recuse himself from considering, & potentially acting, with regard to any military situation, around the world, which may affect U.S. national interests.
     
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    Malarkey's ass. That whole damn mess was created by Obama and Biden. Coups and kickbacks....hmmm, remember 'Burisma'? Obama and the Euro nuts wanted Ukraine as their little bitch...and they got it forcefully. Problem is that when they installed the neo nazi backed crooks in the Rada and Poroshenko, they went off on an ethnic cleaning binge aimed as running the Russians out of Crimea and the Donbass. With those areas rid of voters who back Russian politicians...such as President Yanukovych...then they can keep the nazi-backers in power. But that led to the current war. Russian people don't take kindly to that kind of treatment....they're not going to put up with the **** of the Banderites.

    The US has NO national interests in the Donbass or the Crimea. None, nada, zilch. Our ships have no business in the Black Sea, period. You wanna joyride, you can do that in the Gulf of Mexico.
     
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    If Biden is going to frame this as NATO issue, he can absolutely let any number of US allies negotiate whatever he imagines can be negotiated.
     
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    What the hell are you talking about? This OP is about Russia issuing a warning to the U.S.-- that involves no other country, at this point.

    NATO
    , however, is currently meeting to discuss Russia's recent, & possibly coming, military moves & to decide, amongst themselves, on a strategy. How does our President, "recuse," himself from those deliberations?

    You are, apparently, ahead of your time-- as Russia & NATO, wherever you are, are seemingly involved in a negotiation, of some sort.
     
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    What is your interest in Ukraine? Me, I have no interest in Ukraine. I would love to see them explain more as to why Biden extorted them using a billion dollars not belonging to Biden.
     
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    I have no clue what you are talking about, either. I only commented to Bill Carson, because his suggestion that a President should, or could, "recuse himself," from any matters of U.S. national security, was just remarkably ignorant or preposterous-- even with all the competition, one can find here, in those categories.

    But I see that B.C. likes your enigmatic post, so you two probably have a lot more to discuss than do we, about the country, Ukraine, in which you have no interest.
     
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    Biden has no reason to be interested in Ukraine. It would please me if Biden just quit.
     
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    Last I heard Putin's Russia will help restore the ancient "Arch of Triumph" [also called the "arch of baal"] in Syria. That may sound innocuous to most people until one realizes that arch was a gateway to an ancient temple of baal !

    So... not only does Putin glorify evil antichrist marxists Lenin and Stalin... he now glorifies baal [God's Old Testament false god adversary who led Israelites astray]!

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    I never said anything about recusal....maybe you should go back and pay attention who you are quote replying to. I'll accept your apology after you wipe the egg off your face. Run along and look now.
     
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    Not gonna put up with the Banderites s***....true...better to be a Stalinist/Leninist dick licker like Yanukobytch was , with no economy military or infrastructure. But at least Yanuk lived like a f***ing king though.

    I can provide a video of his uber lavish estate complete with golden toilets, zoo, private golf course,lake, hookers and such if you like.
     
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    Why the mention of Texas ?

    What is now Texas was mostly wilderness. . That's why both Spain and Mexico encouraged Anglos to settle it.

    ?
     
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    Sure, go ahead. Then you can post all the **** the "Chocolate King" AKA Roshen AKA Mr. Poroshenko stole when the Soviet Union collapsed. Those corrupt oligarchs...they all got rich at the expense of the common people...using their government positions to steal everything in sight in 1991. And Poroshenko got his the same way.

    So please do. Let's compare golden toilets with a nazi billionaire's chocolate factory and other businesses. Hell, let's just compare net worth of the non-nazi -vs- the US coup job nazi Poroshenko.

    BTW, who was it that supposedly held Poroshenko's assets while he was President to 'avoid the appearance of conflicts'? The ****ing Rothchilds. You can't make this up. :nana:

    And just to add, Ukraine still has **** for infrastructure...the worst of all the former Soviet states; their economy is pathetic as is their military. The ONLY improvements they've made have been paid for by US taxpayers. It's a welfare state.
     
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    Obama was too incompetent to manage a coup in Ukraine. He couldn't even handle that two-bit murderous dictator in Syria.

    Besides, Ukrainians didn't need external funding to force Putin's Ukrainian puppet out. All it took was anger and determination.
     
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    I am sorry for the mistake. You did answer my reply about, "recusing," but the post I'd originally responded to had been by @PrincipleInvestment.

    What probably led to my mix-up was, at the same time, I replied to one of your posts (in the thread about Nicolai Glushkov) which was equally Russia-boosting, and against our U.S. leadership, as Mr. Investment's post.
     
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    The sea itself has energy reserves but I guess the main resource is the most fertile land in the world, west-north of the black sea. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernozem


    The regions itself is heaven compared to the Russian north, a place where the rivers pour milk and honey, and the deers are waiting to be hunted
     
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    The Europeans needed our help and protection after WWII, but that was 75 YEARS AGO! Over those years they've built mighty fine economies and lifestyles mainly because we've been carrying them militarily on OUR BACKS! High time for the vaunted European Union to be bucked off and foot the bill for their own military deterrents, let Europe take care of European affairs, we've got MORE than enough problems within OUR borders to occupy our time!
     
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    Undeniably Obama was incompetent ... but, the coup was achieved with simple bribery. Obama's SoS Hillary is extremely competent in that area. Ukraine's military abandoned Yanukovych 'cause Obama promised them $ 1.5 bn in military aid that Biden later threatened to withhold if the prosecutor going after Hunter wasn't fired. Anyhow, Biden outshines them all in incompetence. Joe at a minimum is bringing back the cold war, but the thing is that Putin willinh to fight a real war, and he's prepping for it right now.
     
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    Uh huh. It's all our fault if Putin invades Ukraine (again).

    Why do you sound like a Russian troll?
     
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    The negotiations are between NATO and Ukraine, ans whether NATO will allow Ukraine to join even though they don't meet the criteria for membership. Putin's not negotiating, and he'll invade Ukraine properly if Joe does anything stupid to provoke him. All Biden does is "stupid" so he should let Merkel or Macron take the heat and just stay out of it.
     
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