Reuters Russia calls U.S. an adversary, warns its warships to avoid Crimea

Have Russian trolls become the unbiased voices of reason? Because everything I said is just the simple truth. Before the coup Putin accused the US of trying to destabilize Ukraine. The BBC had a nice exposé on it, but it got scrubbed from their archives. Wikileaks released tons of SoS & State dept. cables related to US goals and US allies in Ukraine that were helping to achieve them. It's not all common knowledge, but it's knowledge that you can mostly still find if you invest the time.

 

Anytime any country in the world annexes portions of another country, it is in my security interest as a US citizen. WWII proved this concept. When Hitler and Hirohito were running around taking over countries, it very much was in US interests to stop them. We paid a higher price in WWII than we would have if we would have acted sooner.

The problem with this outlook on security is that not every country which commits these acts of aggression represent a threat in the way Hitler did. Perhaps the conflict really will remain localized and is a result of the area history.

It is difficult for me to tell if this is a situation like pre-WWII, in which appeasement is dangerous to us, or if the opposite is true, and it's a situation in which taking a hard line against it is more dangerous. I would need access to Intel I don't have to really decide.

But to say the annexation of parts of Ukraine is of no security interest to me as an American is ludicrous. Of course it is.

 

You have no idea of the history of Crimea...or Ukraine in general. For the 10,000th time, the Crimeans (vast vast majority ethic Russians) held a referendum and voted to secede from the fake ass country referred to as Ukraine. This was the second time, the first in 1991 during the fall of the Soviet Union. You have no idea that a couple of years later, the Ukrainian government forcefully invaded Crimea. Crimea was Russian from the 1700's...from as long as the US was a country...until 1954 when it was 'gifted' to Ukraine illegally.

I suppose you think bombing the **** out of Serbia was a security interest too. Bill Clinton fan? After all, the muslims in Kosovo apparently can vote to secede but the Crimeans can't (because BOO, they are Russians, the boogie man). I guess the difference is that the US got to put the largest army base in Europe in Kosovo so that makes it a US national interest.

I don't buy the rah rah rah chest-beating garbage spewed by the war mongers anymore. Endless wars around the world should have clued most people in. I guess not.

If I was Russian and the US started meddling in Ukraine, I'd give us the middle finger. Why shouldn't they? They lost upwards of 25 million people in WW2, and we lost what, 350K? And the fake news historians claim we defeated Hitler single-handedly yet we didn't even take Berlin or free those held in the concentration camps.

It's really pathetic.

Tell me about the US's interests in Vietnam.
Afghanistan.
Syria.
Libya.
Yemen.
Serbia.
Korea.
Iraq.

And now the ****ing Donbass? Give me a break.

 

LOL. They have called us much worse in the past. "Adversary" is putting it mildly.

We are adversaries of course. Its time we admit it again after seeing Trump kiss their feet for four years.

 

Grand Prince of Kievan Rus, Vladimir the Great [Rurik dynasty], was bapitzed in Crimea in 988AD. Then he returned to his Rus capital - Kiev - to Christianize the Rus.

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Except nothing you said is reasonable or truthful.

 

It's absolutely true, you're just not comfortable with it. Ask yourself what Biden's doing. Ukraine is of zero importance to the US unless your goal is to strategically deploy missiles or troops there. There's no mistaking that for anything besides a provocation. Sorry but I have to wonder if Biden will get a kickback from US arms mfgs. when he arms Ukraine to the teeth.

 

Did Trump get a kickback from US arms manufacturers when he gave arms to Ukraine? Or is it just Biden who's eeeevil?

 

It's not our fault if Putin invades Ukraine, it is our fault(and now our responsibility) if we chose to engage in hostilities. This has always been the risk with entangling alliances, as the Framers themselves put it. Should Russia succeed in claiming hold over the Black Sea, that doesn't entrench itself into US territory or US allied space. It's not our problem, but if we make it ours then yes, Biden will be held for either fame or infamy depending on the outcome.

 

In the what past?

 

LOL is it OK so long as they're both equally evil? Trump had to fight (D)s in congress to supply defensive weapons. Trump didn't escalate by pushing Ukraine's entry into NATO. Putin doesn't want and won't allow NATO to "store" a nuclear arsenal in Ukraine the way we do in Turkey. If Biden doesn't want a war, what's his motivation? I hope it's money and not something alot more dangerous and egotistical.

 

Biden is not the greedy, dangerous or egotistical type.

It's good that you ask questions, but you should also try answering them. Try to understand the actual geopolitical situation instead of spouting off with Russian propaganda.

Anyway, all this turning up the heat in Ukraine is a great way to distract from Navalny and other issues that are uncomfortable and unpopular for Putin domestically, isn't it?

 

I'm almost inclined to think this all for show. Biden's way of proving he's not an agent of the democratic socialists and their agenda here at home, by acting confrontational with democratic socialists someplace else, where he doesn't have to risk backlash from the commie "squad" in congress.

 

Putin just decided that nothing in the Russian constitution is "absolute" ... he did away with term limits. Vlad doesn't have domestic issues and he never will. 100% of the vote 100% of the time. I explained the geopolitical situation to you. Putin will invade before he lets Ukraine join NATO. He's already got a foothold and he's positioning more forces along the border. (R)s are in the minority, our voices don't count. Biden supporters need to ask themselves what Biden's doing and if they think it's a good idea.

 

He does have popularity issues. He got a nice boost from stealing Crimea.

Incidentally, I'd wager a part of Biden's calculation in calling for a summit with Putin in a third-party country is to throw him a bone and avoid another invasion or other escalation on Russia's part. Putin would probably get a nice boost just from that, so he may not be so tempted to try more aggressive tactics.

 

No he didn't he implemented an amendment that said only 2 terms total, as opposed to 2 terms consecutive. Our constitution didn't have term limits for the President until the country endured one of the worst Presidents of all time, FDR. Was our country a dictatorship before the 22nd Amendment was ratified in 1951?

Oh yeah, our resident Eastern Europe geopolitical expert who's never been to Eastern Europe. Navalny has tons of support, at least a couple of dozen. Okay, 2%.....a couple dozen is a little low. Nobody cares about Navalny as the Russians regard him as a non-serious attention whore.

Biden will be a gift to Putin's re-election campaign if he sticks his nose where it doesn't belong. The Russians will put Putin back in office because Putin puts Russia first.....unlike Biden's agenda of America last.

If Putin does meet, he will tell Biden that Ukraine will have to abide by the Minsk Agreements (that they signed) if there is to be peace. And if Biden doesn't like it, Putin won't give a ****. Ukraine doesn't get to re-trade a Peace Deal they already supported. Either Ukraine does what they said they'd do, or Ukraine will continue its ethnic cleansing campaign in the Donbass. And that will be Ukraine's undoing if they do the latter.

You do know about the Minsk Agreements,,,,don't you?

 

You still haven't answered my question to you earlier, Putin fanboi. Ты откуда?

 

It's hard to tell what Russians think, 'cause RT news is a little slanted. But it does seem like Russians approve of everything Putin's done in Ukraine, and miltary service is cumpulsory anyway. So Summit? To negotiate what, and what's Biden's "bone"? Vlad won't leave Donbass until somebody committed to neutrality is elected president of Ukraine. Biden's bone can't be that Ukraine won't become part of NATO if Putin pulls out of Donbass because he's already fighting a war there and Joe can't prevent him from totally annexing Ukraine.

 

You can't rely on RT to give you a full picture of the Russian political landscape, of course. That would be like relying on CNN or Fox alone, and RT is worse than either of them. More than "a little" slanted. That said, Putin got a popularity boost out of Crimea, so yes, a lot of Russians approve of it.

The bone Biden would be tossing Putin is a chance to talk with the US president about the Ukraine situation. That's obviously a political boon for him already, and any success that can come out of it will help him as well as Biden and Ukraine. I expect neither wants a hot war flaring up there. So far, Putin is changing the narrative and getting our attention with their troop build-up. With this summit, it's working for him, so he is getting what he wants to some extent.

I doubt Putin will ever be happy with a Ukrainian leader who isn't pro-Russian. Putin will portray any other leader as pro-West, anti-Russian and a problem for Russia, of course.

 

OK my last words on this subject. Russia has real economic interests in Ukraine. Ukraine and Russia had good trade relations before the coup. Yanukovych was accused of corruption, which is OK because in a democracy there are solutions for that. Impeachment and elections solve problems ... "insurrections" create problems. Wikileaks published US State dept. cables that show the US State dept. was secretly meeting with Yanukovych opponents and the persons organizing the protests leading up to the coup. They discussed who the US wanted to replace Yanukovych, and what his replacements foreign policy should be. I've authored threads, available for review, with links to those State dept. cables. I've explained how the US influenced the coup, and how that became a tit for tat exchange in "election meddling" between the US and Russia. I don't know what Biden is doing. He can't liberate Donbass. He can't prevent Ukrainian annexation. Biden's constituents need to find out what Joe is doing and why.

 

There is only one past. Not sure what alternative pasts you are looking into.

So, yes, we have been adversaries for a long time.

I was glad to see US has slapped new sanctions on the Russkies this morning. Good news. I was embarrassed by Trump's limp wristed approach to foreign policy, and by him letting Russians push him around.

Biden imposes tough new sanctions against Moscow
https://www.ft.com/content/b2bf1be3-a10c-4963-9deb-8a6b319e9363

US president Joe Biden has imposed sweeping new sanctions against Russia including long-feared measures targeting its government debt in a sharp escalation of Washington’s confrontation with Moscow. News of the measures sparked a sell-off in Russian assets and a warning from the Kremlin that they could scupper efforts to reduce tensions between the two countries.

 

In the Bible, the Hebrew word translated "satan" means "adversary"

Or as Iranians often say... USA = Great Satan

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The Bible describes satan as an adversary (among other things, - like serpent, deceiver, tempter, enemy, liar, murderer, roaring lion, dragon, accuser, morning star etc), because he opposes everything God considers good and/or holy.

Adversary = Opponent in a contest, conflict, or dispute.

 

That about sums up the current evil, perverted, degenerate status of the USA.

Putin sometimes speaks symbolically. I call it, "Putinese"

Speaking of "dragon"... 'St George slaying the dragon' is on Putin's presidential flag, Moscow's flag and Russia's Coat of Arms.

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Good....hopefully the Botox midgets eyeballs pop out of his skull....LOL.