REVEALED: Israel’s IDF Used Passenger Airliners as Cover During Christmas Day Attack <MOD WARNING>

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  1. Ethereal

    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    Of course Israel did it. Israel already did something similar to a Russian spy plane, causing it and its crew to be shot down.
     
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  2. Pisa

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    May I gently remind you that "reading", although a necessary skill, doesn't serve the required purpose unless associated with proper comprehension. A skill many seem to be sorely lacking, unfortunately.

    Reports issued by Russia's Defense Ministry and their Syrian puppets are pure stand-up comedy. First they say IAF used as cover two planes bound for Beirut and Damascus airports. Then they say one of the planes was bound for Latakia, or was diverted to the Khmeimim air base near Latakia, two contradictory versions, both contradicting the first version. Being so humane and peaceful, Syrian military "didn’t deploy surface-to-air missiles and electronic jamming" to avoid hitting a passenger plane, yet it has been reported that those not deployed air defenses have somehow destroyed 14 of the 16 Israeli missiles. Furthermore, according to reports from the Syrian media, those two surviving Israeli missiles managed to strike several targets in different - and more than two - locations.

    As I said, stand-up comedy.
     
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  3. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    You do realize that when a missile is shot down the plane is not in the same location as the missile, don't you?
     
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  4. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    The Syrian defense did not fire tens of missiles.
    Do you mean to say that if any story is not published by the mainstream western media you consider it false?
     
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  5. Pisa

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    How does that explain two missiles striking more than two different targets? Keep in mind that the Israeli planes didn't enter Syrian airspace.
     
  6. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The fact that through the machinations of AIPAC etc American G.I.s have been quietly stationed on Israeli soil is precisely why Israel wants to provoke another shooting war and why the reports of an unprovoked Israeli attack on Damascus are credible.

    The Israelis have been trying to manipulate the US into fighting its enemies since the Israeli False Flag Lavon Affair in the 1950s.
    They are doing precisely the same thing by trying to provoke a response from Syria that would endanger the US Troops on Israeli soil & hopefully draw America more deeply into defending Israel & furthering Israeli regional hegemony.

    If the earlier sources I cited (1), (2) are not to your liking, maybe the following one is more convincing:

    "AMERICAN TROOPS HERE TO DEFEND ISRAEL"
    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5151907,00.html

    EXCERPT "American tactical officers take to the stage, and say they're here to defend the State of Israel and its sovereignty as if they were fighting for their own country. They say they'll do anything to defend Israel. It's moving," he said."CONTINUED


    The idea that any more American blood should soak distant soil due to criminal Israeli aggression should disgust any loyal American.
    If Israel wants to start another war with Syria, they should use their own precious Israeli blood to pay the price.



    (1) "US Commander: ‘US Troops Prepared to Die for Israel’ in War against Syria, Hezbollah"
    https://www.mintpressnews.com/israe...a-harbinger-of-war-on-syria-hezbollah/238768/



    (2) "Top US General Says American Troops Should Be Ready To Die For Israel"
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...ys-american-troops-should-be-ready-die-israel
     
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  7. Pisa

    Pisa Well-Known Member

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    No. I mean to say that if the author of the story doesn't provide proof, the probability of the story being fake is extremely high.
     
  8. truth and justice

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    Quite easy really. Those 14 out of 16 missiles are those missiles that were fired in the vicinity of the civillian aircraft. The Israeli jets also carried out other air strikes elsewhere. Israel have carried out hundreds of attacks on Syria.

    Got a link that says Israeli planes did not enter Syrian air space?
     
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    Yeah, I heard about it earlier, just didn't post!

    So much for Russki personnel on the ground in Syria.

    Israelis hit targets in Damascus and not a boo from the Kremlinoid. Great S300s aren't they....I will hazard a guess therell be more incidents like this....and Kremlin midget will do nothing!
     
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    Let me see if I got this right, the Russian Military is telling the world that if invading warplanes are flying with civilian aircraft (Korean Air Lines Flight 007), they will not shoot?
     
  11. Pisa

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    Let's start with the last paragraph. Yes, I have a link.
    https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Report-Syrian-Air-Defenses-intercept-missiles-near-Damascus-575428

    According to Russia's Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov:
    So....if those 14 missiles were really fired in the vicinity of a civilian airliner, how do you explain the incredible performance of the Syrian air defense system that was able to shoot them down despite not being deployed at all? They used arrows? Strapped bombs on pigeons?
     
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  12. Striped Horse

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    The state of journalism today is awful, I agree. It's awful virtually everywhere. In fact it is hard, bordering on impossible, to be well informed these days. Every state - whether East or West, South or North operates obsessive propaganda and engages in the most blatant fact twisting. And the profession of journalists are poor. Very poor.

    We sad and misinformed readers are left trying to read several different reports for the same event and whittle out the designer chaff by reading between the lines.

    It's tough eh.

    From Col Pat Laing's blog (from Southfront)

    https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/12/how-clever.html
     
  13. Pisa

    Pisa Well-Known Member

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    OK. I get it. You want Israel to be the big bad bully not only in the neighborhood, but on the entire planet. Helps quieting one's conscience over hatred and racism, after all, doesn't it?

    Read the ynet article again. It doesn't say what you claim it says.
     
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  14. Striped Horse

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    I see. So, of the awful journalism we were just discussing you accept at face value the JP's take on the story. Interesting.
     
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  15. Pisa

    Pisa Well-Known Member

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    The thing is, Jerusalem Post doesn't have "a take" on the story.

    There's a huge difference between claiming that events took place as described, missing proof notwithstanding - which is what Turcopolier does - and writing about different reports on events, mentioning the sources of those reports but refraining from taking sides - which is what Jerusalem Post does. The first forces its own version of events down readers' throats, while the second allows readers to make up their own minds.
     
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  16. Dayton3

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    Israel is the only liberal democracy in the entire region that has respect for basic human rights (they treat Palestinians there much better than the Arab states treat Palestinians) and throughout their history Israel has been a reliable ally of the U.S. (saving hundreds of American pilots during the Vietnam War) for decades.

    Syria is a bloody and thuggish dictatorship that has maintained itself through staggering crimes against humanity against its own citizens.

    I don't give a damn what Israel does to the Syrians.
     
  17. Grau

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    No, it doesn't seem like you do get it.

    As Israel's relentless expansionism and regional aggression shows, Israel already is the "big bad bully" however, loyal Americans do not want more American lives wasted fighting for that same Israeli aggression, ethnic cleansing & regional hegemony.

    All 3 articles I cited say the same thing:
    American troops were quietly stationed in Israel to defend Israel in spite of repeated Israeli provocations & acts of aggression.
     
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  18. Dayton3

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    How has Israel expanded? Their borders are less than they were after the Six Day War. The only "expansion" is building houses on land they won fair and square from Jordan and I don't think that is what most people equate with "expansion".
     
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  19. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Netanyahu has a far more accurate & honest assessment of the true nature of the US - Israeli alliance:

    Netanyahu: “Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away”

    http://web.archive.org/web/20060512...pecial_Reports/092105Madsen/092105madsen.html

    Israel has been America's most insidious, manipulative & parasitic adversary America has ever encountered throughout US history.

    I dare you to name just one country with so much influence over our US Government that it can destroy one of America's most valuable ships and massacre 34 Americans not only with impunity but with continued reward in the form of $ Trillions in "aid".

    Ever since the earlier Israeli False Flag attack on the US, the Lavon Affair, Israel has repeatedly deceived & manipulated the US into sacrificing American blood for Israeli regional hegemony.

    For Example:
    “QUIETLY LOBBYING CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ WAS ONE OF AIPAC’S SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR.”

    AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. Sun, Jan. 2003

    Now, the same Israeli lobbies have just as "quietly" managed to have US Troops stationed on Israeli soil to die for Israel (1).
    While it is not unusual to have US Troops stationed on foreign soil, it is only in Israel that Americans are to be put under Israeli command in the event of hostilities(2) thereby serving as Netanyahu's convenient & easily expendable cannon fodder.

    Any loyal American would be outraged at the gratuitous exploitation of America's sons & daughters in uniform for Israel's provocations, insatiable expansionism & hunger for regional hegemony.



    "US Commander: ‘US Troops Prepared to Die for Israel’ in War against Syria, Hezbollah"
    https://www.mintpressnews.com/israe...a-harbinger-of-war-on-syria-hezbollah/238768/

    EXCERPT "In addition, Israel has been laying the groundwork for an invasion of Syria since last year and is largely responsible for the current conflict in Syria that has raged on for seven years. Israel’s current push to invade Syria is also based on flimsy evidence suggesting that Iran is establishing bases in Syria to target Israel.

    Israel has also been preparing for a conflict on the embattled Gaza strip, which – owing to the effects of Israel’s illegal blockade and the devastation wrought by past wars – is set to be entirely uninhabitable by 2020.

    Beyond the fact that Israel is preparing to go to war with several countries simultaneously is the fact that U.S. ground troops are now “prepared to die for the Jewish state,” according to U.S. Third Air Force Commander Lt. Gen. Richard Clark.

    However, more troubling than the fact that U.S. troops stand ready to die at Israel’s behest was Clark’s assertion that Haimovitch would “probably” have the last word as to whether U.S. forces would join the IDF during war time. In other words, the IDF will decide whether or not U.S. troops become embroiled in the regional war for which Israel is preparing, not the United States.

    Indeed, Haimovitch buoyed Clark’s words, stating that: “I am sure once the order comes we will find here U.S. troops on the ground to be part of our deployment and team to defend the state of Israel.”CONTINUED


    (2) "Top US General Says American Troops Should Be Ready To Die For Israel"
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...ys-american-troops-should-be-ready-die-israel
     
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  20. Dayton3

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    The U.S.S Pueblo wasn't destroyed. Nor was it a very valuable ship. And the U.S. was compensated for both the material and personnel losses.
    The U.S. has never provided "trillions" to Israel in aid over the course of Israel's entire existence.

    You post is complete and utter idiocy.
     
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    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Six Day War, itself, was planned & initiated by Israel as an expansionist venture.(1), (2)
    Subsequently, Israel seized Sheba'a Farms in S. Lebanon, Syria's Golan Heights & thousands of acres of Palestinian land for its Illegal Settlement sprawl.
    Apparently, you're unaware of Israel's Oded Yinon Plan that calls for a "Greater Israel"



    (1) "Israel provoked the Six-Day War in 1967, and it was not fighting for survival"
    https://mondoweiss.net/2017/06/provoked-fighting-survival/
    EXCERPT "Finkelstein emphasizes that no genuine academic today, whatever their political orientation, endorses the Mainstream Narrative. He starts by identifying what he has called the “Two Biggest Lies.”

    * The truth is that Nasser and the other Arab leaders had absolutely no intention of invading Israel in June 1967.

    * And Israel’s existence was never in the slightest doubt, as both Israeli and American leaders knew that Israel could easily win any conflict, even against a coalition of Arab states."CONTINUED


    (2) “Begin's Admission in 1982 That Israel Started Three of Its Wars”
    http://www.washingtonreport.me/1994...82-that-israel-started-three-of-its-wars.html



     
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    Are you suggesting that the Jewish State did not violate Syrian sovereignty.

    By the way I have never claimed that Britain wasn't perfidious and you were the one who used the term evil!
     
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    Strange, could not find it, perhaps you can actually post that quote directly from RT news since that is supposed to be the source?
    The Israeli planes were using the civilian airliner as a shield, the missiles were intercepted after they were fired! The Israeli planes were not targeted - which bit don't you understand?
     
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    Yea, Israel are so lovely that they have stolen more land from the West Bank to build another 2000+ houses this week. US soldiers dying for Israel who are happy to take billions of dollars from the US citizens
     
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    "...Article 6 of the Chicago Convention provides that ‘’no scheduled international air service may be operated over or into the territory of a contracting State, except with the special permission or authorisation of that State, and in accordance with the terms of such permission or authorisation’’.
     

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