Revealed: Whopping 73 Percent of CBO's 'Lost Coverage' Estimate Comes From Individual Mandate Repeal

It's complicated. Basically, they can use the existing funds in a different way with 50 votes.

A truly Conservative bill can NOT happen, with only 50 votes. This is the ENTIRE reason this GOP bill is so ****ed up and convoluted. It has to masquerade as a budget bill, in order to pass with only 50 votes, due to Senate rules. They can't even address 90% of Obamacare with 50 votes. This is why they are proposing this 3 phase plan, that everyone knows will only come true if there is a Senate super majority for the GOP.

 

The CBO's record on Health Insurance #'s is so bad that they really have no credibility here.

Why doesn't the media remind us on the 15,000,000 miss the CBO had on Obamacare?

You Liberals realize the CBO is awful at this.... right?

 

Lol, leave it to you to post something contradicting the actual numbers posted in the op article. WTH, does 15m Medicaid come from?

 

The elusive word you're looking for is "choice".

 

Roy says to bust the CBO out. and that is what needs to take place.

Here is Roy's conclusion in a companion piece at Forbes: "There’s a simple way for Republicans to highlight the CBO’s mandate mania: have CBO score one version of the bill with an individual mandate, and one version without. It’ll make as plain as day what those of us who follow this stuff see up close: that the mandate is the secret sauce driving the CBO’s faulty coverage predictions." .....snip~

 

Sounds like a recipe to over-complicate things to basically say 'we did something'. Less about improving Health Care, and more about trying to mollify their base so they don't get burned in the mid-terms.

Honestly, I feel like all this convolution will simply end with a single-payer system. It'll be the only option left.

 

Because they CHOOSE not to have enough money to eat otherwise and can therefore CHOOSE to have no coverage. Look how the Republicans are defending your FREEDOM to die if you get sick and your ineffable privilege to enrich Trump and his cronies at your expense

 

How come they didn't die BEFORE Obamacare?

Do you even remember why Obamacare was proposed? We were told we were paying more because people without insurance were using the ER, and those losses were tacked on to our premiums. We were told that eliminating this would dramatically lower the costs. The talk was never of death back then but, now it is. It seems strange to me, given that care is not refused to anyone in this country, that somehow changing a health care bill causes death. How does not being able to pay your bills, cause death, in your mind?

 

It's already complicated as can be.

The GOP is in a tough spot, due to public ignorance. They factually cannot replace Obamacare without 60 Senate votes, but the public expects them to do it anyway.

 

Why... does reading truth hurts your eyes?

 

Can't fault the public for believing Trump when he said it would happen. Probably should have couched that one a bit lol

 

You know people having babies should have to pay more for their baby having insurance than people with no uterus. After all, its their bodies.

 

The richest demographic, the elderly, require the injection of wealth from the poorest demographic, young adults. Is that the point you are making? We can't allow catastrophic insurance with high limit tax free HSAs for the young because that wouldn't cover enough old people. We can't allow them to opt out of coverage because they don't really get sick, because that wouldn't pay for enough rich old people.

 

That was the theory, but in practice it didn't work, which is why insurance companies are abandoning the exchanges. The CBO's original estimate on Obamacare had a lot more people in the exchanges than what reality actually demonstrated, and of course, Obamacare sabotaged itself by placing much of the young, healthy participants they were counting on outside of the exchanges by having them covered under their parent's (mostly) employer group insurance plans.

The mandate would have had to be much more severe and the 21-26 group would need to be pushed into the exchanges to make things work.

 

More or less but if the GOP went forward with such a proposal the democrats would still oppose that too to mollify their base so they don't get burned in the midterms. It takes two to tango, well except for that really really drunk girl at frat parties who can just dance with the angels cause she looooves everybody.

 

Wait, so your saying only those physically capable of having kids, or those who've already had kids, should be the ones paying the cost of others taking birth control?

I think that was because the fine for not having coverage, was less then the actual coverage. Make the fine more then the coverage, and I'd bet those people would jump on board.

And I agree with pushing that age group into the exchange. Having it till your 26 was not a good idea.

I doubt the Democrates would oppose a Republican plan that expanded HC. It's a possibility, but one I'd have to see to believe.

 

Well, they CAN repeal it. This talk of repeal and replace is relatively new, despite GOP claims. The talk was repeal and move on for like 7 years, not repeal and replace.

 

Yeah, it's easy to say 'repeal' without having to come up with an alternative (and 9 years ago, most everyone was on board with the idea that the HC system at the time was failing most of the populace). Now that they are in the hot seat, things are much different. Hopefully the Dems can learn from the Rs history and have some alternatives on hand for when they get back into power (and this will happen eventually).

 

It might not happen eventually, actually. I know the pendulum swings but, there is a chance that this party dies off, if they do the wrong things in the near future. They are badly, badly damaged, at all levels of government. If you want to send people to Washington, in big numbers that would equate to the pendulum swinging, you have to get them from somewhere. They can't all be outsiders like Trump, without some sort of wave movement like the Tea Party movement. The DNC needs to act quickly, at the low levels of government, in order to take over the highest level in say, 4 years. If they don't, you will start to see either new, or previously disregarded Liberal parties taking over those voters. The pendulum always swings, but you have to at least survive the other direction, if you want to be there when it comes back. The Whigs died as a party, and so can the Democrats.

 

Just how much do you reckon a health insurance policy is going to cost when the pool is entirely made of cancer patients, diabetics, heart patients, etc. and no healthy people?

 

Where will all the Canadians go for health care then?

 

A load of crap like everything else you post.

Repeal and Replace Obamacare
Obamacare has led to higher costs and fewer health insurance options for millions of Americans. The 2010 healthcare law has brought the American people rising premiums, unaffordable deductibles, fewer insurance choices, and higher taxes. President Donald J. Trump promised to repeal and replace this disaster, and that is exactly what he is working with Congress to achieve.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/repeal-and-replace-obamacare

 

Other then the 46K who needed a specialist and had the money to go to the US? To where they always go, their local medical center.

(that's 0.1% of our entire population)

 

Uhm Romney ran on repeal and replace...5 years ago!

 

The CBO reports have all been damning so far. To say otherwise is massive spin and mis-understanding of data.

It's even causing Republicans to do this,

And a FYI, most people know how to read the CBO's very simple and obvious data output. Which is why the GOP plans all see extremely poor polling.