Revealed: Whopping 73 Percent of CBO's 'Lost Coverage' Estimate Comes From Individual Mandate Repeal

Someone?

How about the patient.

 

If they go to the ER, then the tax payer pays for it. If all patients could pay for all their own medical care, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

 

How many millions do heart transplants cost?

 

Not in states like South Carolina, they garnish wages, also we still pay under Obama care the 20 million or so ilegals that go to the ER.



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Interesting. What happens if the individual doesn't have a job and is on welfare?

And I agree that the illegal immigration issue is something that needs to be dealt with. Unfortunately, while political rhetoric would suggest one thing, the reality is that most politicians don't want to actually get rid of illegals (outside of a handful I'm sure) as the real tools to do so are never discussed in a serious manner.

 

So people can be on welfare forever now, is that what you are suggesting?


I will never get why all 50 states didn't follow South Carolina lead on garnishing wages of those who go to the ER, at least recover some of the money back




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I'm pretty sure that nowhere in my post did I suggest anything. I asked what happens (WRT the garnishing of wages) to those who don't have a job.

 

How many heart transplant patients spent their whole life smoking, drinking, doing drugs, eating greasy fast foods, and not exercising?

Why should the rest of society pay for someone's reckless and unhealthy behavior?

 

How many don't?

 

How many do?

And why should I pay for their fat lazy ***?

 

The CBO works on Keynesian economics ideas, so anything they through out is left leaning and has been shown to be wrong in every metric so far.

 

Butthurt much?

The OP sure blew a Great Canyon-sized hole through the narrative you've been spinning about people losing their coverage, but I've been telling you this for weeks.

Freedom's a beautiful thing. Live it. Learn it. Love it...

 

Right now, everyone's deductibles are going through the roof, so why does that argument hold water?

This discussion needs to be moved to "people who are able to use health coverage" vs "those that have health insurance" Most people literally cannot afford their deductibles, they were better off before in a lot of ways.

 

None of this is going to matter.

Eventually people will give up and those with means will move to the cash only systems.

Then the Single Payer System that much of the country is on, will have second had equipment and training, looooong waits and most likely insane deductibles. There will also be a massive shortage of doctors, as those doctors who take the time to become a doctor often do not see it all being worth it, to practice 18 hours a day and get paid nothing.

I am willing to bet the "cash system" will save wealthy people a lot more in the long run, should be interesting to watch happen!

 

They will pay for care or go without. Kind of like now.

 

So they won't be purchasing health insurance, I will be buying it for them. Can I at least get a thank you card with my higher premiums?

 

So long as you thank them for spreading the risk and keeping your higher premiums at the slowest rate of increase in 40 years.

 

Hmm funny. My rates went up slower between 2008 and 2011 th an they have 2012-2017.

 

I agree. That was one of the main concerns of OC that a lot of those on the Left didn't really anticipate (or if they did, didn't acknowledge).

So does this new bill fix that?

 

It doesn't fix it in any way that I can see.

 

Nope, just shuffles around the problems. That is what I have been SCREAMING at people to see and understand but both sides just hold to their view no matter what.

The bottom line is, we added a whole bunch of people, we added a whole bunch of coverage to everybody, we shrunk the competition and added zero new implementations into the infrastructure that was already there.

So basically the pipe is the same size (some could say smaller with "calcium build up") and the amount of fluid going through it has increased dramatically.

OF COURSE PRICES ARE GOING TO GO UP!!!

As of now the employers have eaten a lot of the cost, but that is changing. You can find article after article showing that the employer health coverage (last bastion of low cost) is starting to rise at allarming rates.

There simply is not a way to do what we are looking to do. The only way to make it happen, is to price gouge the hell out of rich people, and rich people will not allow that.

IF that road is taken, rich people will leave to the cash only doctors. They are already springing up and there is no way to punish using them. The rich will pay the "fine" of not using public health care and everyone else will be stuck with sub par coverage.

We have to understand that health care is not a right, but it is something we should do our best to do to keep down civil disorder.

Mandatory Catastrophic Insurance for everyone is in my opinion the best way to go. Then you could pay to add on other plans as to what you could afford, then the debate would be on what "catastrophic" things are and go from there.

We simply cannot afford to pay for everything for everyone, it isn't going to happen

 

No, they will go without until it becomes critical, they will then go to a hospital and get care at 10 times the cost. Then they wont pay their bill, and the hospital will raise costs on everyone else to cover that loss.

So we get to pay either way

 

So conservatives want the lower middle class and poor to die if they get seriously sick

A rare moment of honesty

 

Not sure what you mean. Is this Senate trying to use parlor tricks to pass a tax that isn't a tax or something? That was one of the cheap tricks liberals used...

 

You don't know what's happening in the Senate regarding TrumpCare?

They got to 50 votes (plus a Pence tiebreaker) to start debate (cheap trick) on a series of amendments (cheap trick) designed to pass under reconciliation (cheap trick) any type of bill (cheap trick) that could get to committee (cheap trick) in order for the House and Senate to agree to a new bill (cheap trick) that could get then go back and pass with a 50 vote margin (cheap trick).