Reviewing Atheist 'Lack Belief' in Deities theory. <<MOD WARNING ISSUED>>

LOL. My claims? I have claimed nothing. All I have done is point out how empty your claims are. You've now veered off from the merely wrong into self-delusional. Nice job.

 

It doesn't matter what people 'find', what matters is what 'is'. And belief has no bearing on reality (this of course is different than the belief of an expert who has studied something, and is an expert on something like the belief of an engineer that a bridge will stand). This is evidenced by the fact that belief has never affected reality in any way. But more importantly, there is nothing so stupid or insane that somebody doesn't believe it. Also, if belief really meant anything, then at best 1/3 of the population is right, and that population doesn't even really agree with itself. So, there is not even a real correlation. Every pilot who died in a 'controlled flight into terrain' incident believed with all of their heart and life that they were somewhere else. But they weren't, and belief didn't change that, and they died. Anybody who has died in pretty much any accident has proven the inability of belief to change reality. All the stupid things lots and lots of people believe prove that belief is meaningless.

So are you saying you are arguing for all this creationist crap and don't even believe in it?

'We' are shaped by the instincts and emotions, and culture, and society, which in turn are all shaped by our evolution into a world we were born into. 'We' get curious, bored and inspired, and many other things. None of these things has any bearing on a god. There really is no reason for such a being to even stir or do anything. Doing something is more or less equivalent to doing nothing, but there is an infinite matrix of infinite dimensions that probably doesn't even scratch the surface of the things that are completely equivalent to such a being. 'Why' this one? Belief in such a being really puts you much much much further away from a reason why things are the way they are than belief in just randomness.

And again, belief is meaningless. And, so is responsibility wrt this debate. It's just that believing in magical miracles is far less likely than scientific reality. The only thing you can appeal to is antiquity and popularity. But really, the older something is from a scientific perspective, the less likely it is to be true. The newer a scientific understanding is, the more accurate it is. Belief in a geocentric universe is far older than 6,000 years, and it's nonsense, we didn't understand germ theory until recently, all other beliefs before that were wrong. In fact pretty much every belief we had a few thousand years ago has been shown to be wrong. Which makes sense, we learn new things all the time, so as time passes, our understanding and clarity of existence gets clearer and clearer. We learn new things that older generations didn't know. And, through it all, there has never been discovered a reason to believe in old superstitions. So as time moves on and we get more educated about he world around us, we quit throwing virgins into volcanoes, and worshiping the sun and believing in wizards in the sky. They all remain at sea level on equivalent footing with xenu and baphomet, and zeus and zoroaster, and pinga, and khamis, and the spaghetti monster, and the rubix cube and harry potter, while the pillar of science keeps rising higher and higher into the atmosphere. And people stand at the sea saying "why don't you stay down here? You don't have to see so far, and you can make up what's over the horizon. You don't have to be burdened with what is actually there, you can make up your own story."

That is really what the subject of this thread is. It isn't 'disprove god', it is why don't smart people believe in god? And the answer is simple. It just makes more sense. We don't feel peer pressure is important. We also know that we know more now than we used to. Your confusion lies in your belief that belief has some kind of power (it doesn't). Also, it lies in your misunderstanding of what the implications of a god would really mean.

 

...and this kind of attempting to shift of the burden of evidence onto atheists is a hallmark of theism not agnosticism.

 

I don't know what kind of 'atheism' you hold to but, it walks and quacks like theism.

I don't know if the problem is that in your head you have this delusion that you are posting like a genius Devil's Advocate but, that is simply not the case. In fact, all that you are doing is regurgitating a line that I have only ever seen argued by theists and, it is easily refuted as it has been consistently in this thread.

Atheists lack belief, I know this because I am an atheist.

 

atheists deny the existence of any G/god(s)

atheists believe no G/god(s) exist.

123 pages and atheists are still believers.

 

Nope. Atheist lack belief in a god or gods. Stomping your feet like a school girl doesn’t change that.

 

It is true that we believe 'something.' For example, I believe my hand is real, and the things I touch are actually there. Those are things that are based on faith because it can't be proved as of yet. Based on evidence we believe other things. For example, we believe that when we get into an airplane, it won't explode. We have that belief because the evidence overwhelmingly supports it. We may be wrong about it, but there is no reason to think so, at least until other evidence supports a different conclusion.

As of now, there is no reason to believe in a god. Until there is a good reason to believe in a god, we don't believe in one.

 

fine for you, then you believe no G/god(s) exist

 

Of course.

 

suffice to say atheists are believers. I have no idea what lackers are, but clearly they are not atheists

 

I lack belief, I am an atheist.

 

so you deny atheists believe no G/god(s) exist?

Now thats a very interesting twist!

 

I'm not sure what you are getting at, but sure everyone believes something. I think we are really just getting into semantics here though.

 

Atheism means lack of belief in a god or gods.

 

but you just denied the proposition "atheists believe no G/god(s) exist"
Here:

So its pretty clear you think atheists believe God exists.

 

I'm not sure why it is so hard to grasp. If you are able to understand why I lack belief in Dementors then it should be easy to figure out why I lack belief in gods.

 

I dont see any semantics yet, ral denied that atheists believe God(s) do not exist. Its getting pretty weird in here LOL

 

Sure, if you completely ignore what I actually posted, and then lie about it.

Atheism means lack of belief in a god or gods. 124pages, and that hasn’t changed.

 

Atheism means lack of belief in a god or gods.

 

Do you deny atheists believe no G/god(s) exist? Ral denies it.

 

Hmm, sounds like semantics to me lol.

 

If you think gods exist provide some evidence, then it will be worth bothering forming an opinion, it is so simple.

 

I asked willie ray, "Do you deny atheists believe no G/god(s) exist? Ral denies it." and you answer for him? Is he not an adult capable of answering for himself?
This thread does not ask the question does God(s) exist please try to refrain from posting red herring strawmen propositions.
Then again maybe you should continue to answer for him since he appears to be comparing his beliefs to dementors from a scifi movie harry potter LOL

 

What is the point of the debate?

 

Rant all you want, I will post what I like within the forum rules. Now learn it and live with it.
The answer is quite simple, but you do not want to accept it, I as other atheists lack belief in gods, want an opinion make it worth our while, provide evidence otherwise your gods get as much consideration as flying goats.