Right wing wet dream

Discussion in 'Labor & Employment' started by Royd Bogan, Feb 23, 2011.

  1. PatrickT

    PatrickT Well-Known Member

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    Ah, but the socialists have their wet dream in the White House. Mandatory union membership, no more secret ballots to vote a union in, no more prosecution of criminals acts committed by unions.

    It must be sweet, Boyd. Now, clean up your sheets and look forward to 2012.
     
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    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    Don't spam the thread dear chap. Serious conversation going on here
     
  3. Albert Di Salvo

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    Why would anyone use Donald Pleasence as his avatar?
     
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    You know why?
    Because unions won those concessions from business and your company had to compete.
    If you have a benefit at your job, you have unions to thank for it somewhere in the past. They fought for it with their blood, and now people like yourself think it was a gift given to you from a kind and loving employer. It wasn't. Their hand was forced, and you don't understand the cost that was paid by labor in the past to give you all the "normal place of business" perks that you take for granted.
     
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    Albert Di Salvo New Member

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    Your post speaks in the past tense, not the present tense. It doesn't matter where you've been and what you've done in the past. It's what you're doing now that counts.
     
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    thebrucebeat Banned

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    Honor those that have blazed the trails.
     
  7. Albert Di Salvo

    Albert Di Salvo New Member

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    That was a different country. I grew up in a blue collar Democratic family. George Meany was a hero.

    That country is gone. There's nothing more to say.
     
  8. thebrucebeat

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    The excesses of unions do not make unions irrelevant. You will discover this as the pendulum swings and the excesses of industry become more clearly understood by the working people of the country.
    We have a third world distribution of wealth in this country now, and it is growing increasingly wider. Working people have been fooled into a political philosophy that marginalizes them more and more.
    I think of the NFL players union which works tirelessly to protect the players interests but often gives not a glance toward the gladiators of the past who paved the way to their riches, leaving many destitute. Never forget the debt you have to those that have made all of your benefits real and tangible for you. Many died to get them. Complacency will allow the newer forms of abuse of labor to flourish.
    Labor is suffering in this country now, and with so many out of work they are the sellers in a buyers market. In every society, everywhere and for all time, the workers will be the vast majority of the population. There is power in those numbers when organized, but without that organization there is squalor.
    Those who ignore the past are bound to repeat it. The "now" is the child of the "then". You are about to hand the keys to your house to the one who would rob you.
     
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    Caeia Iulia Regilia New Member

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    Unions are bad. Once you base your organization on organizing to get more "rights" you set the tone of more for us and less for you. There is no such thing as a labor right, and unions can't kick out the weak because they buy into their own arguement -- if I show up and pretend to work, I'm just as good as a guy who busts his ass. That's how unions were set up in the beginning, and now they aren't even pretending to hide it. Unions are workplace communism and they always have been.
     
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    You clearly know absolutely nothing about the history of the unions. Study it a bit and come back and see us.
     
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    Actually I think he nailed it. I used to be a Union Shop Steward (Main Street, Walt Disney World). And I can't tell you how many times I got called by a senior union rep demanding I force a good employee who did his job from calling a bad employee who didn't, a lazy good for nothing bum. It was all about protecting all union members regardless as to how good they worked. That lazy SOB deserved to be fired but they couldn't fire him because he was union.
     
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    Let's not forget the empirical evidence that finds unions have increased productivity. We all can tell tales, but sometimes its jolly nice just to refer to more substantive sources
     
  13. PatrickT

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    You clearly know nothing about the reality of unions today. Study it a bit and come back and see us. Of course, unions have a place. So does the mafia and drug cartels.
     
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    My comment reffered to the poster stating that that was how unions began in the first place. He didn't nail it. Unions were a response to outrageous abuses of working people, up to and including the death of workers. He has no idea of the history of unions and why the people found it to be a matter of survival to form them.
     
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    How would you know what I know about unions today? My comment was about their history and original formation.
    You really want to relate unions to the mafia and drug cartels?
     
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    Look that stuff was exaggerated -- The Jungle was fiction. Nobody was being ground into sausage, the media was making that stuff up. Learn about Yellow Journalism. (PS if people really were getting ground into sausage, then why were people working there? Why are there no police reports into the deaths of these people? Mind that until the end of WWI you could spend time in jail for cursing in public.)
     
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    I suggested that someone learn something about the history of the union movement, not the fictionalizing of it. You are confusing the two. The abuses during the Laissez Faire era of American economic policy are widespread and well documented and easily googled. If you aren't aware of the history, blame yourself. "The Jungle" was a novel. The seamstresses that burned to death in Manhattan were historical figures. Start there.
     
  18. PatrickT

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    What? You want to argue the mafia and drug cartels aren't a negative influence? For me, organized crime is organized crime. Extortion is a crime and we should quit exempting unions. Assault, vandalism, sabotage, murder are all illegal and unions should quit getting a pass.

    You want to talk about the history of unions because it no longer matters or relates to the reality of unions today.
     
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    Those who ignore history are bound to repeat it, and that is exactly what is happening today. The arrogance of industrialists is the petri dish giving rise to the OWS movement and encouraging the support of unions in the midwest, just as it did at the turn of the twentieth century. Ignoring the needs of the working class, which will always be the dominant class in any society, is a fools errand.
    Where do you get the idea that I think the mafia and drug cartels are a positive influence on society? That's a silly strawman, and a sad attempt at serious argument. Only the most sychophantic drones will let you get by with this kind of rhetoric. Only fools will be fooled.
     

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