Rights - god given? inalienable? self-evident? natural? WRONG

Natural rights are a man made philosophical construct. There is no such "actual" thing as a natural right.

Rights are simply what society agrees they should be.

 

Those same "smartest minds in history" also owned other human beings as property. So even they didn't actually believe in the philosophical concept of "natural rights" for mankind. Only male white landowners.

 

And godley men also fought to suppress civil rights in America, from the beginning.

 

actually, the development of frontal lobes in our brains allows us to have compassion and empathy. We developed those frontal lobes via evolution.

 

Maybe he could pop into the UN and advise what these rights are?

 

Exactly, an the only rights in nature are evolutionary, or Social Darwinism and no one in their right mind wants a society based on that!

 

If your imaginary god gave people rights, why would anyone have to fight for them. Of course imaginary beings can't confer rights on anyone. Rights have to fought for and defended.

 

There are no rights in nature. Rights are man made constructs. People only have rights if their government grants them rights.

 

whether a society chooses to be civil or not has nothing to do with what ought to be a right or not. A right is not natural, god given, self-evident or inalienable, it's whatever we agree to. You are using diversion tactics again.

 

of course it's possible if the majority agrees to it, you are trying to refute something that is factual. If Americans propose an amendment to the constitution - 'Every many has the right to rape as a means to procreate' and it is ratified by congress and 3/4th of states, then rape will be possible without any consequence. This is simply a fact so what are you refuting? The question is whether Americans will agree to this, most likely never as it is considered to be immoral and not in the best interests of society. This proves my point - a right is nothing more than something we agree to, it is not god given or bound by any natural laws.

 

Management has decided to vote on whether or not you get paid this week, and frankly, it's not looking good for you..... and as you have no inherent rights to the fruits of your labor, you're just going to have to suck it up, buttercup. oh, and by the way.... per last week's vote, you have no inherent rights to quit...in fact, you can't even go home. Home? Ha! that's right, I forgot... we voted to repurpose that as an after-work brothel for the female slav...um...employees... who, per last week's vote, have no inherent rights to say no. Now get back to work or face the whip.

 

Not my problem you don't understand the issues of the time and why some things had to be compromised to get the most amazing document in human history.

 

there are no natural rights, fact. Natural laws are laws that cannot be broken, try jumping from a building and breaking law of gravity. Natural rights? NO SUCH THING, it's a made up concept just as the concept of 'god given' in an attempt to silence this that disagree.

rights that preexist government? let's send you back in a time machine when people had the right to kill and it was okay.

 

So 2 people can consent to what is a natural right for all people of the world?
Or just what is a natural right between those 2 people.
And there are no natural rights that qualify for 100% of the population?

 

So you couldn't be killed by some animal in the wild, if you are walking in the woods, because you haven't violated anothers rights?
You couldn't die in a car accident, by someone texting and driving because you didn't violate anyone's rights?
Your welcome.

 

True that.
For there is no Natural Rights or Natural Laws that preexist gov't.
I don't think you can name one.

 

If your rights are suppressed, how is it you have any?
Do North Koreans have any rights?

 

According to most claiming Natural rights or laws, they can't be oppressed. For they are natural.

 

Not aware how the world works I take it.

 

what does god mean to an atheist? no right comes from a person that we don't know even exists. You may want to believe in a god, but you cannot prove it.

no, there is no natural right to enjoy fruits of your labor, it's just something we have agreed to.

If you are okay with taxes for national defense, then you cannot argue coherently against taxes to ensure affordable healthcare for all. You are basing your argument on the false premise that EVERYONE wants national defense, not everyone does. Using your logic, extracting 'fruits of labor' for national defense for those who don't want it, is a violation of rights.

If the majority of Americans agree to healthcare being a right, then it is a right, even if some disagree. Redistributing is not a violating of rights if people agree to it and neither is offering fruits of our labor to secure rights. Paying taxes to ensure affordable healthcare for everyone is no different than paying taxes to ensure national defense for everyone, it solely rests on what the majority of Americans agree to. You also falsely claim that everyone that needs healthcare is because they have been negligent, not so. Finally, THERE ARE NO NATURAL LAWS OR GODS GOVERNING ANY OF THESE RIGHTS.

 

Assuming god exists, can you prove it?

 

I can make you understand natural rights and natural law much better in person, but you'll have post your real name, a photo, and your home address. what's that?...you're invoking your right to privacy? but I thought.....

 

I understand perfectly. There is no such thing as natural rights. Rights are simply what society agrees on. These so called smartest minds, decided that white male landowners should have certain rights/privileges. They decided those rights/privileges didn't apply to human beings they owned, or to women.

This is why any discussion of "natural rights" needs to have an acknowledgement that we are talking philosophical man made concepts, and not some concrete list of "rights".

 

There are no natural rights governed by god or natural laws, this is a figment of our imagination.

If you, me and others would've been born in isolation from society, in a secluded forest do you think any natural laws or a god would be ensuring natural rights are agreed to and protected? No, we would have no f idea of what a right is and be killing each other to get women, get food if it's scarce and we would be raping women to procreate. NO F NATURAL LAWS OR GODS WOULD BE preventing this. Why? because we wouldn't be living a society that has created 'rights' and laws.

Go take a safari in Africa or go watch the gorillas in mountains of virunga. Lions kill cubs of other males to preserve their genetic lineage, silverback gorillas kill each other to the right to get females and procreate, this would be you, me and others in a world without laws. Why? because there is are no natural rights, rights are social constructs that society has agreed are in the best interests of society.

 

If there are no natural rights or natural laws, what would have instigated the abolitionists? did someone have to tell them slavery is wrong?...or did some internal sense of right and wrong come into play?