Rightwingers: America is Multi-Racial. Get used to it.

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  1. Brewskier

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    Look at Chicago. 1/3rd white, 1/3rd Hispanic, 1/3rd Black. That’s what the left wants the whole country to look like, with Democrats in a position of permanent rule, so it should be a utopia, yet it’s heavily segregated, with insane levels of violence.
     
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    I suspect you’re intimately aware, my fellow conservative. Now go on back to telling your fellow conservatives how they need more diversity.
     
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    We could argue that non-conformity bit. Maybe fifty years ago, but today, on the quintessential fortresses of liberalism, our elite campuses, I see anything but non-conformity.

    But on your main point: you're almost right, except that by 'acting white' or 'acting Christian' we mean: having the Protestant work ethic and adhering to the rule of law. As for speaking English ... of course! If you want to live and get ahead in the US, you had better speak English ... otherwise you'll end up cleaning some liberal high-earner's toilets. Anyone who doesn't want immigrants to learn English just wants a supply of helots.

    But if that doesn't convince you, please have a read of this, by a distinguished liberal historian, who makes a more profound argument: we must have a united country (so long as separate nation-states exist). We don't want a Balkanized America. Isn't that obvious?
     
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    Doug1943 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes. So ... what's the conservative answer to this problem? Those two-thirds non-whites are not going to disappear.
     
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    Doug1943 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nah, come on. Just say it. There are people here who think all 'conservatives' are decent people, not racists or anti-Semites. They're a bit naive. Enlighten them. Don't be afraid. We're not living in the Third Reich. You can say what you like.

    Go on. Who are the bearers of this hostile and foreign ideology?
     
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    Segregation is a good answer, although it’s not the conservative one. Not in the mainstream, anyway. I suspect a good amount of minorities would be happy to have their own areas to rule and govern themselves, too, so it’s not like only whites would benefit. They’re already segregating themselves in these areas anyway. It’s natural.
     
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    Dude German even after bringing in that last **** load of "Syrains is still more than 80% German and more than 90% European. France is much the same, as are most European Countries. America by contrast isn't seventy percent anything. And really never has been. Conservatism isn't about racial purity but intellectual purity, intellectual honesty. One can be any color of the rainbow and still be a conservative.
     
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    It’s more fun to watch you out yourself. We both know.

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    You bet ... the late Joe Sobran used to say that the purpose of a college education in America was (1) to teach you how very very wonderful racial minorities were, and (2) to allow you to make enough money to live as far away as possible from them.

    And recently I saw a wonderful post about the liberals in Hollywood who live behind a Wall in their gated community, with their gardens tended to by people who have to show an ID card to get through the armed guards at the gate.

    All true. I've had plenty of arguments with liberal airheads who refuse to acknowledge the depravity of inner-city Black ghetto 'culture'.

    But ... I'm not arguing that Blacks are beautiful or that all Hispanics are hard-working folks who just want to make a better life here or that whites are evil racists. All that is totally irrelevant.

    The argument I'm making -- it's just an empirical one -- is: can 'conservative values', if we want to call them that, find lodging in any part of the Black or Hispanic communities? I say that they can. And I say that conservatives who express blanket disdain for Blacks and Hispanics are the enemies of conservatism. (And those naive souls who think that such 'conservatives' don't exist ... dear God ... can't you read?)
     
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    You’re simply wrong. America was about 80% white in 1860 and became more white during the next 100 years, to almost 90% in 1960. That changed drastically after the 1965 immigration bill change.
     
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    Oh no ... are you afraid? Go on ... who are the bearers of that hostile and foreign ideology? Okay, we both know who you're talking about ... but there are some naifs on this forum who can't interpret the code words. Enlighten them! Der Führer was not afraid to ... follow his shining example!
     
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    Of course. And 'assimilate' doesn't mean you have to like country western music, it means you have to live according to our laws, and, basically, have the Protestant work ethic.

    The Left teach new immigrants that America is evil. They are the enemies of assimilation.
     
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    Conservatives run on values, not demographics. We attempt to get all Americans to subscribe to our values, rather than plotting to get/keep the Hispanic vote, black vote, etc. Doesn't it seem sort of condescending to try to "handle" minorities, as the left has done for a lot of years?
     
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    conservatives can coexist.
     
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    this ebil right winger doesn't have a problem with a multi-racial America, per se, this ebil right winger has a problem with a cynical, cheap, dirty, low-down, deceitful political philosophy that blames White for Black & Brown's problems in order to cultivate their votes.

    tearing down one race does nothing to build up another race, it just breeds contempt.
     
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    Conservatives don't care about race. What conservatives don't care for is accepting immigrants who have no intentions to assimilate to American culture. We don't like immigrants(or anybody) who have no respect for our laws and see America as a place of conquest or "reconquista". I'll gladly show them the door any day.
     
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    And it still doesn't matter... The problem isn't skin color it is ideology, to participate in identity politics regardless of what identity you profess is to become part of the problem not part of the solution.
     
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    My fellow white conservative, can’t we just talk about how white Americans need to embrace more diversity? No ulterior agenda at all.
     
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    Tell that to Laura Ingraham.

    Tell that to Trump.

    Beyond that, your attempt to identify exclusions is anti-American from the ground up.
     
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    Excluding illegal aliens and terrorist immigrants is "anti-American?
     
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    No, it's not condescending to take account of the concerns of different sections of the population. Any serious political person planning to run for office, had better think about dozens of groups (overlapping) and their concerns and have something to say to them: Blacks, women, veterans, steelworkers who've lost their jobs, senior citizens, parents worried about the school system etc etc etc. Just repeating general principles, true as they may be, will not be enough.

    What the Left does is to pander, to echo the professional agitators who want to keep racial grievances on the boil.

    In any case, I'm not proposing in this thread any special conservative message to Blacks or Hispanics. That would be an interesting discussion, but for another thread.

    I'm calling out the people on the Right who have disdain for ALL Blacks and Hispanics (and, some of these people, for all Jews, as you'll see if one particular fellow gets up the courage to say what he thinks).

    Some conservatives are such nice people, they think the best of everyone. They're not racists themselves, and they can't recognize that not all people on the Right are like them. First they need to see that, and need to distance themselves from such people. Otherwise, we'll all be smeared with the brush of 'racism', which the Left are all too happy to do.

    My model here is the Proud Boys, who explicitly disavow the racists and drive them away from their meetings, to the great disappointment of the Left, and other Trump supporters who do the same.
     
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    This only makes sense if you believe that it is the racial mixture that is causing the violence.

    I agree that if someone is racist they're more likely to see race as the problem.

    But, it was that racism that prevented you from looking at real issues.
     
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    No, I responded to what you SAID:

    "What conservatives don't care for is accepting immigrants who have no intentions to assimilate to American culture. We don't like immigrants(or anybody) who have no respect for our laws and see America as a place of conquest or "reconquista"."

    'nough said?
     
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    Absolutely.

    The Europeans and their colonists made the magic ingredient that allowed their ascent to civilization to become a non-stopper. Civilizations have risen before in various parts of the world but they always came to a halt and then stagnated. (No change in the gene pool, by the way.)

    Somehow, we found the key to preventing that: capitalism, or capitalism plus the industrial revolution, or both plus the rule of law plus science ... I don't know. But now we have this wonderful combination, it's open to all to emulate. And it's happening around the globe.

    Respect the rule of law, work hard, honor achievement, honor rationality. Do that, and you can invent penicillin, split the atom, go to the moon. We don't have a monopoly on it. It's not a white thing -- it's honored more in Singapore than Russia -- and it's yours free.

    Europeans should be very proud that they were the first to find the magic combination that's going to take the whole human species to the stars. Now let everyone grab these ideas and pull themselves up out of backwardness.
     
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    Not enough said. What do you disagree with in the quoted sentence? The qualifications are restrictive, not descriptive, at least as I read them: "we don't like immigrants who do X", not "We don't like immigrants, who [all of them] do X". Don't you agree with that?
     

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