Roe overturned

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  1. Bill Carson

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    Yes shall I start citing to you various medical and government cites which talk about unborn babies and how to take care of your baby before the baby is born. It's called our common language and I am using it quite properly you are the one trying to change the meaning because of the position you take on the life of that baby.

    And now comes the strained and desperate attempt to justify the 98% of elective abortions because of the 2% due to rape or incest.

    Let's deal with the 98% first which are not justified because of horrible crimes committed on others.
     
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    No they do not. Science defines the beginning of any life in any form at the conception of that life.

    "The development of a human being begins with fertilization, a process by which two highly specialized cells, the spermatozoon from the male and the oocyte from the female, unite to give rise to a new organism, the zygote."
    [Langman, Jan. Medical Embryology. 3rd edition. Baltimore: Williams and Wilkins, 1975, p. 3]

    "Embryo: The developing individual between the union of the germ cells and the completion of the organs which characterize its body when it becomes a separate organism.... At the moment the sperm cell of the human male meets the ovum of the female and the union results in a fertilized ovum (zygote), a new life has begun.... The term embryo covers the several stages of early development from conception to the ninth or tenth week of life."
    [Considine, Douglas (ed.). Van Nostrand's Scientific Encyclopedia. 5th edition. New York: Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, 1976, p. 943]

    "The development of a human begins with fertilization, a process by which the spermatozoon from the male and the oocyte from the female unite to give rise to a new organism, the zygote."
    [Sadler, T.W. Langman's Medical Embryology. 7th edition. Baltimore: Williams & Wilkins 1995, p. 3]

    "Zygote. This cell, formed by the union of an ovum and a sperm (Gr. zyg tos, yoked together), represents the beginning of a human being. The common expression 'fertilized ovum' refers to the zygote."
    [Moore, Keith L. and Persaud, T.V.N. Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects. 4th edition. Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Company, 1993, p. 1]

    "Although life is a continuous process, fertilization is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed.... The combination of 23 chromosomes present in each pronucleus results in 46 chromosomes in the zygote. Thus the diploid number is restored and the embryonic genome is formed. The embryo now exists as a genetic unity."
    [O'Rahilly, Ronan and M?ller, Fabiola. Human Embryology & Teratology. 2nd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 1996, pp. 8, 29. This textbook lists "pre-embryo" among "discarded and replaced terms" in modern embryology, describing it as "ill-defined and inaccurate" (p. 12}]

    http://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/ar...yoquotes2.html
     
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    Ahhhh a sperm is not a human life, please do not conflate or confuse a gamete with a human being. And yes you had the choice as to allowing it to live or not. You said it was tough as if some emotionally tearing thing within you but now you say it was simply family pressure you had to deal with?

    And maybe not in the UK but in the US there are certainly lots of atheist like me who are not religious zealots and oppose abortion based on the science and humanity. I was pro-abortion until I majored in biology in college and learned what is life, how it is created and how we all start off when we are conceived.
     
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    Nah, these are gonna be hard-core feminists. Expect looting of multi-colored hair dye, stillettoes, tampons, and batteries. Lots ... and lots ... of batteries.
     
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    Well !!!! - Im not actually the kind of guy who would go looking for 4 week pregnant females to beat up. I have no idea about your hobbies or lifestyle but that is something that has never crossed my path.

    And yes - its murder if someone is murdered. of course.

    if someone chooses to remove a bunch of cells growing in their body? Murder? No

    I never want to get personal on forums, but this is an issue I have dealt with personally. and yeah its a ***** hand to be dealt but you have to play with what you have.

    And as the other poster I responded too - I'm taking it you too have many children, both adopted and your own? or have lead a very dull life
     
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    Because one is an assault on a sentient adult.
    Which cannot be compared to à bunch of cells.
    That is one source.
    And at conception cells can develop into anything. They are called stem cells.
     
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    Sad to see rightists cheering along big government ruling Women's lives. As I stated for years, conservatism is dead.

    The only good thing about the SCOTUS ruling today is this speeds up the death of the GOP even more. Women & youth outnumber old neocon boomers who are dropping off the planet that vote for dipshit republicans.
     
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    They are complying with the Constitution, not religion.
     
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    Is suicide by gun a right?
     
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    No, you keep voting for Democrats. You only have yourselves to blame for that.
     
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    Thats why I decided I was independent rather than Republican. The left and the right want to control how people think and act. They point fingers at eachother, each claiming the other is for "big government" or "trying to take away rights" or whatever, but in reality, both are just reflections of each other, marionettes on strings being pulled by power brokers in DC.
     
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    I have read significant portions of the decision.

    The decision doesn't say anything a out vaccine mandates. What part of that don't you grasp?
     
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    Yes. The government should have no say whether or not someone takes their life.
     
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    That's a stupid idea. There are religions that have religious texts beyond the Bible, not to mention all the various interpretations of the Bible text itself.
     
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    No. I said if a man assaults a woman and she survives with minor injuries but she loses the baby he can be charged with murder. But how can that be if the mother didn’t die and the baby wasn’t a life?

    Or let’s say a guy gets a girl pregnant and she wants the baby but he doesn’t. And he feeds her some abortion pills spiked in her drink. She has no consequences except she loses the baby.

    He would get charged with murder.
     
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    If someone was actually trying to argue that the Constitution mandates the existence of the Air Force, they'd be wrong, just as those arguing that the Constitution mandated a right to abortion are wrong.
     
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    I sent every one of the 47 state senators an email asking for them to vote on a bill switch MD to a proportional voting system. Got 8 replies so far a few receptive.

    Just voting isn't enough. Democrats are the only sane party as of now.
     
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    Because a bunch of guys in robes decided that was the case. I'm fine with them making decisions about whatever until it infringes on personal freedom, which is now the case.
     
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    No the answer to that question is that the law already declares a pre-viable fetus a life.
     
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    You are being way too harsh about this, Shadow. Nothing about this very serious, sobering story Pixie has shared with us strikes me as being even the slightest bit disingenuous, even though I'm a staunch right-wing Conservative.

    But the central issue is beyond compassion, which obviously you do not exhibit here -- no, it is about a woman's absolute, incontestable RIGHT to have complete legal control over EVERYTHING in, and on her own body. No government in the world should have the right to challenge THAT!
     
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    Target is having an "Ah chit" moment right now.
     
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    It is now fully legalized here in the State of Colorado.
     
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    Wow, you missed the point, BIGLY. But you sure got all personal with the poster!
     
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    when the law dictates what someone can and cannot do with their body, the law is wrong, regardless of what a bunch of guys in robes decide. It is the ultimate tyranny
     
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