Roe overturned

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  1. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    I refuted the claim that bearing arms is an absolute right.
    The Black Panthers showed up in a courtroom with firearms.
    Are you okay? I don't think so.
     
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    So you thought an argument of incredulity is extended to anyone who provides a common sense equation?
    You never taught school. You're a poser at best.
    You don't know the difference between a right and a law
    You don't know why an abortion isn't a right
    You think abortion is banned in Oklahoma, when it never was
    You think the right of the people to keep and bear arms means they have a right to enter a court room with automatic weapons to threaten a jury
    You claim HCPCs are all religious zealots forcing women to have babies

    Again, your likes vs your post tells the entire story.
     
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    Sure you did. And with this statement
    Delusional

    Yet another LangleyMan fabrication
    They showed up in a peaceful demonstration outside the court house.
    Your claims are so fake
     
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  4. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    It's a fallacious argument. Try something else.
    Care to put some money on it? I'll give you 20-1 odds I can prove I have—your $5,000 against my $100,000? Loser pays the arbitrator. I'll give your $5,000 if I win to Planned Parenthood nearest you in your name.
    The same old BS.
    Because SCOTUS said it isn't.
    It's effectively banned.
    I said they don't.
    Too many CPCs are Liars for Jesus, telling woman that abortion leads to infertility and cancer.
     
  5. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    Sorry to disappoint your Panther-loving butt, but some of 'em entered the courtroom.
     
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    Stop using words above your pay grade.
    Common sense exist and it is the opposite of a mistaken belief.

    If you were a teacher, you would be the dumbest one anyone ever heard of.

    Wrong, because it isn't in the constitution
    Teacher my ass. lol Substitute maybe.

    No such thing as effectively banned. That would be like effectively not pregnant.
    Its either banned or it isn't.

    YOU said they have a right to enter a court room with automatic weapons to threaten a jury
    You can't even keep up with your own BS lol

    It would take someone of your mentality to believe anyone telling them abortion leads to infertility or cancer.
    I am sure you are the exact kind of individual who would buy into it.
    Just an FYI, If people were being told that it would be front page news everywhere.
    Not just some made up corner in your mind where the Black Panthers assaulted a court room with weapons
     
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    Is that the teacher part of you that claims I love the Black Panthers because I showed where you lied about what they did?
    You must have been some teacher? lol
    They never entered any court room.

    When they arrived, They walked into the building, and headed for the Assembly chamber on the second floor, where they intended to read aloud Executive Mandate Number 1, a statement in opposition to the Mulford Bill. They were not allowed to enter the chamber, so they went outside and read the statement on the front lawn.

    Some teacher you would be. lol
     
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    The people make up the militia and SCOTUS has already established that it's a personal right not dependent on belonging to a militia.
     
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    Then why doesn't it say that?
     
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    You are correct.

    But only a religious zealot will attempt to have a secular government enforce religious dogma.
     
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    Not so. Communities set moral standards an expect members to live by them or close. People tend to group together with those they can identify with. While religion plays a role in setting standards it isn't necessarily dogma.
     
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    Common sense is not nearly as common as we might think.

    The proper role of the government is not to be a nanny, but to protect the rights of its citizens, whether or not those rights are enumerated in the document.
     
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    Communities led by religious leaders might be described best as theocracies. When the legislative product enforces religious dogma, it could easily be described as a theocracy.

    In theory, our form of government is a secular democratic republic.

    We could take this further by deciding whether, in the case of Christian theocracies, the legislative product favors the Old Testament or the New Testament. I prefer the latter. As St. Paul noted, the letter of the law brings death, the spirit of the law brings life.
     
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    You got that right. My wife has seen hundreds of women who have had 5 abortions or more.
    They use it as the form of birth control.

    The role of the constitution is to limit the power of the government over the people and not to interfere with individual states rights.
    All rights provided to the people are free like the right to assemble, right to bear arms, right to an attorney, ect.
    You have a right to get an abortion just like you have a right for any elective surgery. But those are not constitutional rights.
    But just like you have a right to have a gun, there are limitations.
     
  15. LangleyMan

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    You're doubling down?

    "Argument from incredulity, also known as argument from personal incredulity, appeal to common sense, or the divine fallacy, is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition must be false because it contradicts one's personal expectations or beliefs, or is difficult to imagine.

    Arguments from incredulity can take the form:

    1. I cannot imagine how F could be true; therefore F must be false.
    2. I cannot imagine how F could be false; therefore F must be true.
    Arguments from incredulity can sometimes arise from inappropriate emotional involvement, the conflation of fantasy and reality, a lack of understanding, or an instinctive 'gut' reaction, especially where time is scarce. They are also frequently used to argue that something must be supernatural in origin. This form of reasoning is fallacious because one's inability to imagine how a statement can be true or false gives no information about whether the statement is true or false in reality."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_incredulity
    It was a right (SCOTUS said so) and now SCOTUS just said it isn't.
    This from the AMA Journal of Ethics:

    "Crisis pregnancy centers are organizations that seek to intercept women with unintended pregnancies who might be considering abortion. Their mission is to prevent abortions by persuading women that adoption or parenting is a better option. They strive to give the impression that they are clinical centers, offering legitimate medical services and advice, yet they are exempt from regulatory, licensure, and credentialing oversight that apply to health care facilities. Because the religious ideology of these centers’ owners and employees takes priority over the health and well-being of the women seeking care at these centers, women do not receive comprehensive, accurate, evidence-based clinical information about all available options. Although crisis pregnancy centers enjoy First Amendment rights protections, their propagation of misinformation should be regarded as an ethical violation that undermines women’s health."

    […]

    "Perhaps most worrisome, regardless of whether a particular location is licensed, CPCs engage in counseling that is misleading or false. Despite claims to the contrary, these centers do not meet the standard of patient-centered, quality medical care. The counseling provided on abortion and contraception by CPCs falls outside accepted medical standards and guidelines for providing evidence-based information and treatment options. For example, CPCs often suggest a link between abortion and subsequent serious mental health problems, while multiple studies have invalidated this assertion. Similarly, centers cite debunked literature showing an association between abortion and breast cancer. Although abortion has been shown to be safer than childbirth, it is portrayed as a dangerous or even deadly procedure."

    https://journalofethics.ama-assn.or...pregnancy-centers-are-legal-unethical/2018-03


    Liars for Jesus!
     
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    Yeah, I left that entire copy and paste regurgitation to let you expose yourself as what you think the only definition of common sense is.
    Hilarious Uneducated, but hilarious

    It was never a constitutional right which is why it wasn't a constitutional right for the first 150 years until a bunch of liberals had to make it one with a fake ruling, which is why it was overturned.
    Proving you don't even know what a constitutional right is.


    I don't care about your copy and paste regurgitations.
    My wife has spent almost 30 years as a director of an HCPC and you have this idea in that small space that you know more than she does because you found an internet post?
    Then you come on here and fake your relationships with HCPC counselors?
    All you ever have is fake claims you know nothing about
     
  17. LangleyMan

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    I didn't say one would have to be in a militia, just that the ability to take a weapon and be part of a militia was behind the right to possess and use firearms. The point is that it would be possible for a future SCOTUS to view the second as something less than an unqualified right.

    P.S. I'm not a gun grabber.
     
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    If the future SCOTUS can read, I think the 2nd is safe.
     
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    The second is poorly worded. I don't know why it didn't just say, "The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."
     
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    Glad it got around to it
     
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    From the AMA.
    Your post: nasty and stupid, all of it.

    One of us quotes sources ... and it ain't you. (No, God isn't a source, nor is "common sense.")

    The AMA doesn't think much of Crisis Pregnancy Centers. Liars for Jesus.
     
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    It hasn't because the awkward wording is still there and can be cited.
     
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    But to what purpose?
     
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    It's about politics, not reading skills.

    The public have little appetite for people who misuse, or might misuse, firearms. Senile? At some point, you have to cough up your weapons. Felon? No, and we should enforce the law with severe penalties. Violent misdemeanors? There go your guns. Gang members? No guns. I would also issue a national firearms permit required to possess firearms that involves a short training course in handling weapons and the law around their use. No nonsense about "we don't like your attitude..." and therefore you can't have firearms. Just straightforward training. It can be like a driver's license. If you know about weapons and the law, you should be able to take the exam and skip the instruction.

    And I just have one pet peeve ... I want to run out into the street and hope a bus ends it whenever I hear someone identify a semi-automatic AR-15 as an assault weapon. My god, can't these folks STOP? How can we have a public dialogue when we immediately go into la la land?
     
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    Gun grabbers will grab if they get the chance.
     

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