Roe Vs. Wade should be overturned

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Joe knows, Sep 1, 2021.

  1. Joe knows

    Joe knows Well-Known Member

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    You’re wrong. The heart has its own electrical system. It doesn’t need a brain or a body. Thanks for taking the bait and showing how idiotic your insult truly was.

    I really don’t care about the argument of a brain or how far along it is developed. The brain continues to develop all the way to 23-25 years of age. That is not what any of this is based on. Abortion is murder period. No one will convince me otherwise. Without the intervention of an outside party it would grow to be a healthy human in most cases.
     
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    What makes it murder?

    Maybe it would grow up to be the next Michael Jackson, the next Kobe Bryant or maybe even a Nobel Prize-winner. However what it may be or what it will or could be is completely irrelevant since it is not. We have to look at what it actually is because only that matters. Every woman is a potential mother and every man a potential husband, but if they are not then they are not.

    A fetus does not have any rights and if a woman does not want to be a mom, she has every right to terminate her pregnancy.
     
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    What it is? It's a human life looking and acting exactly as a human life is created to be at that stage of development. To kill it is murder.
     
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    I've seen figures in a wax museum that look like people....if you destroy one is it murder?

    I've seen animal embryos that look like human embryos.....if you kill one is it murder ?
     
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    Don't need to reply because this I totally agree with
     
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    Yes it is. You said there was already a law so the U.S. Supreme Court didn't write or legislate from the bench. So, where is it? There were laws against abortion, but not for it. Thus, the SCOTUS wrote a new law...
     
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  7. WillReadmore

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    You missed the point.

    The 10c are NOT justification for laws. In fact, there are at least half the 10c (depending a little on which religion's version of the 10c you use) for which NO law exists ANYWHERE in the USA.

    Our laws are NOT based on the 10c. Period.

    The point with Ezekiel is that killing a fetus was NOT A CRIME.

    You have to face that, as it is a very clearly spelled out fact.
     
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    You miss the point every time. Laws are based on biblical laws and non-biblical laws voted by the people and their representatives. This is really a 2nd grade concept.
     
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    The point is that our laws must be justified WITHOUT reference to religion.

    The 10c is NOT a justification for any law.

    The 7 deadly sins are NOT a justification for any law.

    Leviticus is NOT a justification for any law.

    The Bible is NOT a justification for any law.

    The Koran is NOT a justification for any law.

    The Rigveda, the Epic of Gilgamesh, etc., are NOT a justification for any law.

    The Book of Mormon is NOT a justification for any law.

    If a law can not be justified without ANY reference to ANY religious text, then it isn't a constitutional law.
     
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    I see this as purely a moral issue. While I agree that abortion (in most cases) is immoral, I dont think it should be a subject for legal restrictions. We do not want to be in the business of regulating morality. Murder and theft are not illegal because they're 'wrong', but because they destabilize society. Abortion does not. I want abortion to be legal for the same reason I want greed to be legal. Its no less immoral to watch people languish in poverty from the deck of a luxury yacht... but that is and should be a protected right in America, despite its disgustingness. So should be abortion.

    ...just dont ever ask me to participate in it by helping pay for it. I'll do a 180 faster than you can say 'but...'.
     
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    Strong insight. Thanks for posting that.
     
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    Shhhhh....Let's not tell WRM that "Elder Abuse" Laws are from the concept "Thou Shalt Honor Thy Father and Mother." Shhhh.....Let's not tell WRM that Theft, Larceny, Shoplifting, Robbery, Burglary, Identity Theft, Motor Vehicle Theft, Grand Theft are from the concept "Thou Shalt Not Steal," Shhhh.....Let's not tell WRM commit slander and liable are from the concept "Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness." Shhhhh....Let's not tell WRM that Murder is a concept from "Thou Shalt Not Kill."
     
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    No, there aren't any first countries that allow those things that allow those acts.

    And, it has NOTHING AT ALL to do with the Bible.

    In fact, in some of those cases there aren't laws against it in the USA.

    For example, one can lie in court - it becomes perjury only when certain factors pertain.

    And, if someone walks onto your porch in Florida, you can blast their brains out, because killing someone who walks on your porch is perfectly fine with Floridians - and others, too!
     
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    Now, you are just rationalizing your error. Quit while you are this far behind... :boxing:
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    YOU claimed the Supreme Court wrote laws....they still don't.


    ...show your unborn fetus's SSN .... use it for a tax deduction ???


    Why do you want some "persons" to have more rights than other persons ????


    FoxHastings said:
    YOU claimed the Supreme Court wrote laws....they still don't.


    ...show your unborn fetus's SSN .... use it for a tax deduction ???


    Why do you want some "persons" to have more rights than other persons ????
     
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    Why would we tell him lies ???
     
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    I stand on that claim. The Supreme Court legislated (or in other words, wrote a law from the bench) legalizing abortions, the most hideous killing of all time and all kinds.
     
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    Roe v Wade is not a law.

    It is a decision on the constitutionality of a law.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    YOU claimed the Supreme Court wrote laws....they still don't.


    ...show your unborn fetus's SSN .... use it for a tax deduction ???


    Why do you want some "persons" to have more rights than other persons ????




    FoxHastings said:
    YOU claimed the Supreme Court wrote laws....they still don't.


    ...show your unborn fetus's SSN .... use it for a tax deduction ???


    Why do you want some "persons" to have more rights than other persons ????


    So you didn't look at that book n civics I recommended...

    How many branches of government are there ?

    THREE

    1. The Executive(President)

    2. The LEGISLATIVE ( LAWMAKERS)


    3. The Judicial( JUDGES)

    Every and any writing on civics will back me on that....


    Isn't doesn't help you to continually dodge :

    ...show your unborn fetus's SSN .... use it for a tax deduction ???


    Why do you want some "persons" to have more rights than other persons ????
     
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    Oh good grief! It's legal to kill an unborn baby after laws said it was not. Splitting hairs today, aren't you...
     
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    Good grief...whether something is unconstitutional is hardly "splitting hairs"....See, the Constitution is a big deal in this country...
     
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    Roe v Wade can be overturned by the Supreme Court just as Dred Scott was. Then the Constitutionality of abortion will be different. The issue of abortion should be decided by the states, not the Federal government.
     
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    You wouldn't know it by what liberal Democrats are doing to it. Shredding it to pieces where it's hanging by a thread. Please stop using the Constitution to justify destroying the country...
     
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    Funny how some people think that upholding rights is "shredding the Constitution...how they must hate rights, unless they are theirs...
     
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    No it isn't. Scientifically, biologically, realistically, and legally a fetus is not a "baby." You are making this claim only because you want to remain loyal to GOP talking points.
     

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