Roger Stone sentenced to 3 years for lying, witness tampering as case roils DOJ

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  1. Yulee

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    Yup, the Deep State selective prosecution only fires up the Trump base. Sounds like the judge agrees with Trump:

    "U.S. District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson, while taking a firm stance toward Stone in the courtroom, also said the up to nine years originally sought by federal prosecutors was excessive."
     
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    He won't do any actually time.

    Once again:

    1) The sentence will not take effect until Jackson rules on a pending motion for a new trial. Stone's attorneys made the request last week after Trump accused one of the jurors of "significant bias."

    2) If it goes bad for Stone, Trump will just pardon him
     
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    9 was a little much. 40 months seems fair. The witness tampering is out of the Stone MO.

    There was a reason our 40th didn't trust him.
     
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    It isn't even an accusation. If one believes Democratic causes and believes the fraud of an investigation was "justified", then yes there's an inherit bias that clouds the juror(and if we're being brutally honest, the entire jury pool.). How do we know this?

    A case in the EXACT same district court(the one brought against an Obama official) was thrown out, with one of the jurors saying it wasn't RELEVANT in comparison to the Manafort trial.

    In 2020, in America, a Juror in an American court actually said that. The juror is supposed to weigh the evidence neutrally but he couldn't do that with respect to a separate case. Does anyone believe that neutrality is had in this Circuit?
     
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    Seem the Judge was on the same page as Barr and the President in regards to the Mueller team lawyers recommendation.

    There a few appeal issues that have come to light, so we'll see how the Circuit rules
     
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    So you’re against criminal justice reform? Lol
    Just pretend trump pardoned them and then you won’t mind.
     
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    Excellent. For a politically partisan revenge type trial, three years is actually reasonable. Maybe Trump will allow him to serve out a month or two just to make leftists happy and then issue a pardon.
     
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    Unfair when under Obama his Intel heads lied to congress and our citizens while our CIA spied obon its oversight committee . All kept their jobs and didnt even get slapped.

    Justice for all? Yeah right

    The breakdown of our justice system tells us we have oligarchy not a rule of law justice for all republic .
     
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    No, I'm against selective prosecution which is what we have. Sure, you're happy about who is being selected but the damage far proceeds that. In the future, prosecuting cases will be brought against other political rivals. Namely, democratic rivals. You won't be so happy about that.

    If someone breaks the law, they should be prosecuted. If someone else breaks the SAME LAW, in the same fashion they should be prosecuted. Not get a two year deference and then "Welp, we won't charge you after all."

    It's the two tier justice system, not Trump's presidency that's at issue. It will remain at issue even beyond Trump's administration.
     
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    Always happy to let someone who threatens witnesses to go unpunished, or do you save that fora Trumps pals only?
     
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    It seems to be the M.O. of the political Left.
     
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    Did they threaten witnesses?

    MO of witness tampering? When?
     
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    I guess it never occurred to you that they weren’t charged because they didn’t break the law.
    Not that it matters, you don’t mind if criminals get a free pass by trump. Stop pretending to care about justice while trump is letting all the connected criminals out early.
     
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    That was Prof. Dershowitz's point in the impeachment trial, you cannot have a system where the exact same crime is prosecuted in one instance and not in another.
     
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    Apparently Credico said he didn't take the "threats" seriously and didn't want to prosecute. This is actually very similar to the Impeachment episode, wherein Schiff and the Democrats tried to claim the "witholding of aid" was to pressure the Ukrainians...in contrast to public statements by the Ukrainians themselves.

    It is out of bounds of the law for someone ELSE to claim an injury, where the supposed injured party did not make that same claim. But alas, we've been out of bounds with respect to the law for a while now.

    That is my criticism of AG Barr, who speaks a big game about removing the political sphere from the judiciary but he's done an awful lot to maintain it. And NOT to the President's advantage and more importantly: To OUR ultimate disadvantage.
     
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    So everyone in prison for rape should be released be because trump got away with it.
     
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    Then Stone "didn't" break the law either, but that's exactly what happened here, isn't it? I'm holding them to THEIR own standards. And if they can't be bothered to do that themselves, then sorry Mr. Barr, there's no "righteousness" in that. Morally upright people can uphold their convictions and don't change them on a whim, depending on a certain interest or not.
     
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    Except Biden, then we must ignore ukraine sayinf he did nothing wrong?
     
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    Stone was charged because he really did break the law.
    this argument is crazy illogical. It was Barr who’s DOJ charged stone! Is he some secret deep stater? Or maybe, just maybe, you’re wrong?
     
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    “You are a rat. A stoolie. You backstab your friends," Stone wrote Credico in April 2018. "I am so ready. Let's get it on. Prepare to die."

    Sorry but that’s a crime. No matter what cult you follow.
     
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    There have been public statements to that effect, yes. But that doesn't preclude our own review of the matter(which yes, I still want to happen because if anything illegal took place I would want that prosecuted.)

    It is not the point that no one should be prosecuted for crimes that they committed. But for America's "justice system" to hold any value, it must be proportionate and it has to be fair. If McCabe didn't break the law, Flynn didn't break the law. If Brennan didn't break the law when lying to Congress, then Stone didn't break it either.

    We must remain consistent and constant, to be true. Otherwise, is to be hollow and empty.
     
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    I believe you have made an error and meant Bill Clinton.
     
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    Gotcha so ignore Ukraine on Biden, believe them on trump...I like how you don’t even pretend lol
     

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