Ron DeSantis telling looters they risk being shot in 2nd Amendment state Florida?

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  1. Condor060

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    Nobody was told to go out and shoot looters or that they had the right to shoot looters. But taking statements out of context by the media is nothing new.
     
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    So if anyone gets shot, its all DeSantis fault, but if the result is the opposite, DeSantis had nothing to do with it.
    Playing both sides of the street is a tactic of a dishonest media.
    Thats about the same as the media saying, you saved all the passengers by landing the plane in an emergency but you put everyones lives at risk which makes you an idiot.
    If you're upset because reminding criminals Florida is a second amendment state, then its obvious you are more concerned about the criminals.
     
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    :roll:
     
  4. Doofenshmirtz

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    There is a difference between burglary and home invasion robbery. If there is no one there to shoot you, its burglary. If someone is there to shoot you, its a home invasion robbery and no longer "property crime"
     
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    My point is that there is a difference between someone trying to kill you and someone trying to steal your lawn-mower from our front yard.
     
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    I don't have any problem with it. 80% of the land mass of my state (Virginia) declared ourselves 2nd Amendment sanctuaries back just before COVID.

    If you want to commit crime in Virginia, best to stick to the I95 corridor between Richmond and the DC suburbs. Out here there's just too many armed and proficient rednecks with gun hobbies (not to mention retired military and special forces). Not worth the risk.

    That's simply a public service announcement.
     
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    ~ This is exactly where the gangsters should be sent to "self-rehabilitate ". Just imagine them trying to set up one of their operations around those parts ... :-|
     
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    What is 2A if not maintaining the right to defend your property as well as your life?
    The logic that says you may not is akin to holding that there is a right of others to make you a slave. I mean, they're only taking stuff you earned, not your life, right?
     
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    What would you do if you wounded a looter and there is no one to pass him off to because of the catastrophe? Finish him off. Leave him lie?
    Just wondering…
     
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    I heard your point and that would require trusting the criminal is not there to harm you or your family. Here in CA, criminals are in charge. A "No Trespassing" sign is considered a Halloween decoration here!
     
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    Either he is trying to steal a lawn-mower from your drive way or he is trying to kill you. If you can't tell the difference, then you should probably not carry a gun.
     
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    That statement is far from reasonable. What you are saying is that those without the ability to read minds should not carry a gun.
     
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    Read minds? Most people know when someone is trying to kill you, because its beyond obvious. A junkie trying to steal your lawn-mower would avoid even being seen let alone assault you for some reason.

    You'll shoot the mail-man and then claim you couldn't read his mind.
     
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    It does not appear you discussing this issue from a position of knowledge on the subject. Please research home invasion robberies.
     
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    It does not appear you are comprehending the point, since I said (repeatedly) "steal lawn-mower from your drive way" and somehow you understood that to mean "home invasion robbery".

    You cannot comprehend the difference between someone trying to snatch something from your driveway, and someone trying to murder you.
     
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    Your lawnmower in the driveway diversion is not difficult to comprehend. In your example, we can read the mind of the criminal and know that he would not harm my children. He just wants the lawnmower and would never react violently when seeing another person who sees his face and can identify him and testify against him. This luxury does not exist in real life.
     
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    You can't read the mind of the delivery guy either, or someone offering lawn service. I mean, - could be a rapist or a murderer..... It is critical that gun owners can make these judgments before opening fire, and based on what you have said, you cannot make them.
     
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    On the topic of home invasion robbery, it appears you are not speaking from a position of knowledge on the subject. I understand your point and agree that no one should be shooting at someone taking a lawnmower from the driveway. Your example is irrelevant and unrealistic.

    On the topic of looting, these criminals take advantage of structural damage giving them access to valuables or victims. Lets say that he only wanted a lawnmower until he saw an open entry and decided to come on in. Whats the next move?
     
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    I am prepared to defend myself against a violent home invasion, but that has NOT been the topic. Post hurricane looters are practically always opportunistic thieves and typically only interested in grabbing stuff, even things that are not even valuable. Its dumb as hell, but not worth going to prison over a lawn-mower.
     
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    True, but not worth the risk. I agree with his message to looters and believe society is better off when criminals are the ones afraid of lawful citizens. I would rather a harmless thief die while committing a crime than see violent criminals enjoy a level of comfort when entering someones home.
     
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    You didn't get it (its a pattern). Its the lawn-mover owner who goes to prison. Fortunately, gun owners usually better, because unlike some posters playing tough in the internet, people in real life do know how to judge the situation before taking life. Killing someone is as serious as it gets.
     
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    You aren't going to be charged for murder if you shoot a looter in self-defense.
    Especially in a disaster zone.
    (2) A person is justified in using or threatening to use deadly force only if he or she reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony. A person who uses or threatens to use deadly force in accordance with this subsection does not have a duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground if the person using or threatening to use the deadly force is not engaged in a criminal activity and is in a place where he or she has a right to be.
     
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    You are confusing "getting it" with "buying it" I don't buy your lawnmower diversion. This was the right message to send to those contemplating a home invasion. Trying to make this about me and lawnmowers doesn't change that.
     
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    I am simply pointing out the obvious problem with the message. Feel free to disagree.

    You might think violent home invasion is the only form of looting, but most people understand it is not necessarily the case. Bunch of looters have already been arrested there, but no one has been shot, so it seems the gun owners here are able to judge the situation and not open with no questions asked.

    They seem like your typical opportunistic looter losers as they :
    "........were observed stealing items from in front of a local business, and loading them into a trailer...."

    It pretty much fits the lawn-mower scenario.
     
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    Perhaps he really meant "Don't take lawnmowers from driveways"

    I think he meant exactly what he said and agree with his message. I see your point and I not only disagree; I live where criminals are emboldened by the opposite message.

    "Don't trespass or you will be shot" is much better than the message criminals here in CA are getting:


    "Don't trespass or you will get, uh,... a ticket!"
     
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