On the surface, it sounds terribly cold & heartless, but in the case of a rape, that fetus is an ever present symbol of the horror of the rape itself coupled with the depressing reality that the rapist left a part of himself implanted & growing within the womb of the victim. That's a lot to deal with if you're the victim. For her, living with that symbol thru gestation can be even more devastating than the rape act itself. Killing an unviable fetus is NOT the same as killing a born baby. But how is that any worse than asking our already born children to volunteer themselves for possible death in a war? Why is the life of the fetus valued over the life of our children already here? This kind of thinking puzzles me.
The argument is a little narrower than who do we send to war. By that time they are mostly 'viable' lifeforms.
In the "society" I live in, the world, everyone's morals vary. NO one has a right to impose their morals on others. I don't, it's part of the woman it's in. NO, it 's part of the woman it is in so she has the right to kill it. A fetus is NOT a baby until birth. It is a stage of development of a human.
Many different morals are accepted by the society I live in. Not everyone in the world thinks, acts, and believes the same. Thank goodness, it would be quite boring if everyone was the same. Must we all believe and think like you?
The enigma I wrestle with is why Republicans regard the fetus, an un-viable life form, as more deserving of their continual attention, while our young adult children who are called to war, aren't worth a second thought.
You see, without that moral cover abortions would be rare. Call it what it is, a baby, and it becomes much harder to overcome a woman's protective instincts. We don't get to determine morality on only our terms, no matter how convenient it may be. It's like farting in a car pool. Sure you can do it but you could find yourself a social outcast in a pool of one. Overcoming societal morality that finds abortion unacceptable has always been the difficulty for those who advocate for it.
FoxHastings said: ↑ In the "society" I live in, the world, everyone's morals vary. NO one has a right to impose their morals on others. I don't, it's part of the woman it's in. NO, it 's part of the woman it is in so she has the right to kill it. A fetus is NOT a baby until birth. It is a stage of development of a human. I don't know what you mean....what is a "moral cover" ? No, I will not LIE and call a fetus a baby.... ...no more than I would lie and call a baby a teenager....that would be idiotic. Which isn't logical and none of your business.. No one gets to decide what other people morals should be. I can't answer for anyone who advocates for abortion because I don't. Poll after poll since RvW has said the majority of Americans want abortion to be legal. THERE is your "societal morality "
This is full of contradictions and edicts. Not sure you have been able to connect the dots...……..any dots at all.
FoxHastings said: ↑ In the "society" I live in, the world, everyone's morals vary. NO one has a right to impose their morals on others. I don't, it's part of the woman it's in. NO, it 's part of the woman it is in so she has the right to kill it. A fetus is NOT a baby until birth. It is a stage of development of a human. I don't know what you mean....what is a "moral cover" ? No, I will not LIE and call a fetus a baby.... ...no more than I would lie and call a baby a teenager....that would be idiotic. Which isn't logical and none of your business.. No one gets to decide what other people morals should be. I can't answer for anyone who advocates for abortion because I don't. Poll after poll since RvW has said the majority of Americans want abortion to be legal. THERE is your "societal morality " So you can't address the facts or questions in my post, OK, I didn't think you could...…(.great excuse BTW, haven't heard that one before )
There are no facts in your posts, just a bunch of disputable opinions. You get to decide what version of morality you accept but society collectively decides the morality that governs our interactions with each other. Nobody is asking you to lie. I just tried to explain the truth to you. No expectant mother ever took her husband's hand and placed it on her belly so he could feel the fetus kick. It is their baby. The only doctors involved in pregnancies that predominantly refer to the baby as a fetus are the abortion doctors. It's important to assuage the guilt of the young woman getting the abortion and there is always guilt. Something to do with morality I think.
Oh? I did NOT see YOU disputing them Funny how you comment on the post of mine you quoted but didn't READ it...it IS a lot easier that way It said: """Poll after poll since RvW has said the majority of Americans want abortion to be legal. THERE is your "societal morality " """" LOL! YOUR version of the truth which isn't really the truth since a fetus is not a baby and YOU have never proven it is. I don't deny science, I call things what they are. A fetus is no more a "baby" than it is a teenager....in fact, why don't YOU call it a teenager since you seem to think you Rule the Universe on what stages in human development are … They are using "common usage", not science. What a woman calls her fetus does NOT determine science...Sad to think you think if a woman calls her fetus her "bun in the oven" you think she'll give birth to pastry. And the science community.....which knows waaaay more than you about science... OK, you made a sweeping generalization about women who get abortions....now all you have to do is prove it... You're even wrong that only "young" women get abortions... Which has nothing to do with science, law, and women's right to retain the right to their own bodies... Why are trying to force YOUR morality on others? Did you think you were superior !!???
You keep saying the same silly things over and over like if you use more words it will make you right. Bless your heart, it don't.
Oh? I did NOT see YOU disputing them Funny how you comment on the post of mine you quoted but didn't READ it...it IS a lot easier that way It said: """Poll after poll since RvW has said the majority of Americans want abortion to be legal. THERE is your "societal morality " """" LOL! YOUR version of the truth which isn't really the truth since a fetus is not a baby and YOU have never proven it is. I don't deny science, I call things what they are. A fetus is no more a "baby" than it is a teenager....in fact, why don't YOU call it a teenager since you seem to think you Rule the Universe on what stages in human development are … They are using "common usage", not science. What a woman calls her fetus does NOT determine science...Sad to think you think if a woman calls her fetus her "bun in the oven" you think she'll give birth to pastry. And the science community.....which knows waaaay more than you about science... OK, you made a sweeping generalization about women who get abortions....now all you have to do is prove it... You're even wrong that only "young" women get abortions... Which has nothing to do with science, law, and women's right to retain the right to their own bodies... Why are trying to force YOUR morality on others? Did you think you were superior !!??? So you think that if you say I'm not right then I'm not right? But you couldn't show where I wasn't right, you couldn't address anything in my post to prove I'm not right... No, you were shown to be wrong on all counts...and have no ammunition to fight back... ….all ya got is excuses...
Appeal to majority logical FALLACY exposed by the FACTS! https://www.npr.org/2019/06/07/7301...bortion-legal-but-they-also-want-restrictions
You have a list of pro abortion talking points that you keep repeating over and over as if that establishes some kind of fact. Then you come back and string them all together just like you learned them in your meetings. Well done, you're a good little trooper.
FoxHastings said: ↑ Oh? I did NOT see YOU disputing them Funny how you comment on the post of mine you quoted but didn't READ it...it IS a lot easier that way It said: """Poll after poll since RvW has said the majority of Americans want abortion to be legal. THERE is your "societal morality " """" LOL! YOUR version of the truth which isn't really the truth since a fetus is not a baby and YOU have never proven it is. I don't deny science, I call things what they are. A fetus is no more a "baby" than it is a teenager....in fact, why don't YOU call it a teenager since you seem to think you Rule the Universe on what stages in human development are … They are using "common usage", not science. What a woman calls her fetus does NOT determine science...Sad to think you think if a woman calls her fetus her "bun in the oven" you think she'll give birth to pastry. And the science community.....which knows waaaay more than you about science... OK, you made a sweeping generalization about women who get abortions....now all you have to do is prove it... You're even wrong that only "young" women get abortions... Which has nothing to do with science, law, and women's right to retain the right to their own bodies... Why are trying to force YOUR morality on others? Did you think you were superior !!??? So you think that if you say I'm not right then I'm not right? But you couldn't show where I wasn't right, you couldn't address anything in my post to prove I'm not right... No, you were shown to be wrong on all counts...and have no ammunition to fight back... ….all ya got is excuses... YOU could NOT prove my facts weren't facts.... You couldn't show where I wasn't right, you couldn't address anything in my post to prove I'm not right... No, you were shown to be wrong on all counts...and have no ammunition to fight back... ….all ya got is excuses... How long do you want to go on displaying the fact that you have no facts and cannot refute one word of my posts? I can do it forever
And yet you FAILED to do so when provided with the TRUTH that a MAJORITY of 75% of the nation SUPPORT RvW.
FoxHastings said: ↑ Oh? I did NOT see YOU disputing them Funny how you comment on the post of mine you quoted but didn't READ it...it IS a lot easier that way It said: """Poll after poll since RvW has said the majority of Americans want abortion to be legal. THERE is your "societal morality " """" LOL! YOUR version of the truth which isn't really the truth since a fetus is not a baby and YOU have never proven it is. I don't deny science, I call things what they are. A fetus is no more a "baby" than it is a teenager....in fact, why don't YOU call it a teenager since you seem to think you Rule the Universe on what stages in human development are … They are using "common usage", not science. What a woman calls her fetus does NOT determine science...Sad to think you think if a woman calls her fetus her "bun in the oven" you think she'll give birth to pastry. And the science community.....which knows waaaay more than you about science... OK, you made a sweeping generalization about women who get abortions....now all you have to do is prove it... You're even wrong that only "young" women get abortions... Which has nothing to do with science, law, and women's right to retain the right to their own bodies... Why are trying to force YOUR morality on others? Did you think you were superior !!??? So you think that if you say I'm not right then I'm not right? But you couldn't show where I wasn't right, you couldn't address anything in my post to prove I'm not right... No, you were shown to be wrong on all counts...and have no ammunition to fight back... ….all ya got is excuses... YOU could NOT prove my facts weren't facts.... You couldn't show where I wasn't right, you couldn't address anything in my post to prove I'm not right... No, you were shown to be wrong on all counts...and have no ammunition to fight back... ….all ya got is excuses... How long do you want to go on displaying the fact that you have no facts and cannot refute one word of my posts? I can do it forever Click to expand... Thank you once again for the opportunity to post your errors.
Pro-Life is supposed to mean its members care deeply about life itself. But supporting the sending of our youth to war for frivolous or dishonest reasons betrays that whole concept. Caring about fetuses, but not about the quality of life after birth, is also dishonest. Truly valuing life means one must decrease the importance of other issues in favor of life itself. Many so-called Pro-Life supporters are really Pro-Fetus, & NOT Pro-Life. There's a HUGE difference. Being Pro-Fetus but not Pro-Life, makes many followers insensitive to the impacts policies they support have on others around them. For many, fetal rights outweigh all the rights supposedly guaranteed to other citizens by the Constitution. The Pro-Life (Pro-Fetus) side of the abortion issue, are the ONLY side that wants to impose their beliefs over everyone else, thru the interdiction of government & law. The Pro-Choice doesn't, because they always leave the decision making up to the individual mother actually involved, and accept whatever decision she makes, up until the fetus becomes viable. This makes the Pro-Choice the Pro-Freedom of the individual side. The Pro-Life (Pro-Fetus) side always claims life is more important here than personal freedom of the mother. Yet, the Pro-Life conservatives are the first to endorse military conflict, with our living youth going to war, when they sense any threat to their concept of American individual freedom. Then, they say freedom is more important than life itself. That is SO HYPOCRITICAL.
When you take it out of context, sure. When used in the context of and in a discussion with regard to abortion, it has a specific, and subject-limited meaning. You know this, of course.
