Roy Moore And The Dangerous Rise Of Christian Nationalism

Where was he convicted in court of "depraved predations" upon anyone?

Unsubstantiated claims do not make him guilty of such.

And after you smear a man as guilty before proven innocent, you have the audacity to claim that you know what real Christian doctrine is.

Holy ****.

 

Moore Derangement Syndrome.

 

All of the above should have had access to due process if they so desired. Why did Franken resign ?? He stated that he would be happy to face the ethics committee and then did not. The really sad thing about all of this is the politicization of a two very serious issues - sexual misconduct and due process.

 

The vouchers could be used for any school of choice. Why would any parent want a quality education for their child ??

 

Problem is, that this leads to blaming Bill Clinton and the Democrats want none of that. And we then need to blame the congress. Colin Powell was a skeptic until he spent 2 weeks at Langley and other places trying to verify the WMD. Powell announced he was perfectly satisfied. So were Democrats.

 

Nor the women who have described his predations, nor all in the community who affirmed his fixation with teenage girls, including a colleague. It is not a trial; it is an election.

His wife's fake claim that all would be shown to have been paid still appears as a desperate lie unfulfilled. Of course, ideologues ignore such phony claims. Those familiar with Moore and experienced in assessing witnesses, like Sessions and Shelby, arrive at the ineluctable conclusion.

 

Bill Clinton didn't invade Iraq. If anything, he can be blamed for not keeping his dick in his pants thereby becoming embroiled in scandal rather than killing off al-Qaeda.

Yes, in 2003, even Hillary and John Kerry voted for the Iraq Resolution. I, OTOH, was against it for the same reasons Colin Powell had previously given: no exit strategy. We were facing an occupation and quagmire....which is what happened. We could have just bombed all of Saddam's "palaces" until he submitted to inspections.

 

Pakistan and India are interesting in that their nukes are aimed at each other so its a checkmate situation.

 

Bill did not invade. I agree. But he waged war on Iraq. Maybe bombs and missiles should not qualify for war but they sure did at Pearl Harbor.

Bill Clinton did however tell the world that Saddam HAS WMD. And he used it as his excuse to strike Saddam militarily as well.

And he signed the public law demanding this nation remove Saddam.

What the heck was Bush to do?

Colin Powell was not against the invasion. General Tommy Franks says Powell signed off on the invasion.

Bombing his palaces still is war. Do you recall how the Japanese did at Pearl Harbor and the Philippines?

 

Interesting that you have top secret information. Where do you get it?

 

....and if Pakistan falls to the radical Muslims controlling half the country?

 

We waged war on Iraq in 1991. Bill was just handed the caretaker position. If Bill had knowledge that Saddam had "WMD's", he should have handled it. As it is, I don't consider gas or chemicals to be a threat to the US. Nukes, yes. Either way, any facilities which did't submit to inspection should have been bombed flat.

Yes, Powell was against it from the beginning, but you are correct, in the end he signed off on it.

 

Its common knowledge.. Have you been living under a rock for the past 30 years?

 

Funny only you said it.

 

I would not call Powell against it as much as I would say he wanted to see the proof himself. He spent 2 weeks apx viewing the proof and signed off. We kept waging war on Iraq during Clinton. Sure, Bush invaded Iraq in the first gulf war and stopped about 100 miles deep in Iraq. Bush can be faulted for trusting Saddam. The WMD was not removed for being a threat to the USA. It was a threat to the middle east.

How can so many folks forget what Bill Clinton did to Iraq? How can they not be familiar with the law he passed?

 

Is that all they control? I somehow have the idea the country is Muslim ruled. I have met and spoken with one man from Kashmir and he told me quite a story. I think he later got deported. I knew his boss fairly well. They are caught in the middle between Pakistan and India. I have met and talked to many from India yet none that I recall from Pakistan. I suspect in my city we do have some of the Pakistan citizens though I have not spoken to Afghani for years but in the 90s spoke to some of them fairly often.

 

If this is such common knowledge, favor us with a bit more proof than simply your words.

 

There's a difference between "Muslim ruled" and "radical Muslim ruled".

 

It was Powell, as SoS versus every chickenhawk in the WH. Mainly Cheney and Rumsfeld, who did serve a short time as a Naval Aviator pre-Vietnam.


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/17/magazine/if-you-break-it.html
Secretary of State Colin Powell was quoted in "Plan of Attack," a book in which he was a key source, as cautioning President Bush before the war that he would "own" Iraq, with all its problems, after military victory. "Privately," wrote Bob Woodward, "Powell and [Richard] Armitage called this the Pottery Barn rule: You break it, you own it."


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/aug/20/usa.comment
The US is now mainly governed by men in their mid-50s, ie the Vietnam generation - except that this lot missed being the Vietnam generation. The enterprisingly original New Hampshire Gazette (www.nhgazette.com) maintains a "Chickenhawks" database to tell their stories. Most of the allegations fit with facts recorded elsewhere.

Not everyone is implicated: Colin Powell's military record is solid, of course, which may help explain his distaste for fighting; and Donald Rumsfeld, an older man, was a naval aviator, albeit in the undramatic mid-50s. Otherwise, it starts with the president, who missed Vietnam by securing a cushy number in the Texas air national guard after (so everyone assumes) his congressman father pulled strings to get him in. It is less well-known that Dick Cheney avoided the draft by getting deferments, first because he was a student, then because he was married. "I had other priorities in the 60s than military service," he has said. Fine. Me too, Dick. Some people have got other priorities now. How about you?

Consider Washington's two most prominent superhawks: Paul Wolfowitz (Rumsfeld's deputy) and his adviser Richard Perle. Who's Who in America is curiously vague about their precise whereabouts in the late 1960s, though it is fairly clear where they were not. As the shrewd and sceptical Republican senator Chuck Hagel said last week: "Maybe Mr Perle would like to be in the first wave of those who go into Baghdad."

The two Democrat leaders in Congress, Dick Gephardt and Tom Daschle, served; their Republican counterparts, Trent Lott and Dick Armey, did not. Tom DeLay, the most powerful hawk in the House of Representatives, missed Vietnam too: he was working as a pest exterminator. Reportedly, he once complained that he would have served; but, he said, all the places were taken up by ethnic minorities.

There are similar stories about almost every other prominent rightwing Republican of recent vintage. Newt Gingrich, ex-Speaker of the House, went the Cheney route; Kenneth Starr, Clinton's legal nemesis, had psoriasis; Jack Kemp, Dole's running mate in 1996, was unfit because of a knee injury, though he heroically continued as a National Football League quarterback for another eight years; Pat Buchanan had arthritis in his knees, though he soon became an avid jogger.

The best story concerns Rush Limbaugh, the ferociously bellicose radio personality, who allegedly had either "anal cysts" or an "ingrown hair follicle on his bottom". It is not my custom to mock others' ailments, but anyone who has listened to Limbaugh's programme can imagine the dripping scorn he would bring to the revelation that a prominent Democrat had skipped a war over something like that. Also, in his case, a pain in the arse is peculiarly appropriate.

 

You can't spot the propaganda favoring Democrats in that stuff?

Read these two books. You will come away fully informed.



Cheney gets far too much blame and so does Rumsfeld. Democrats portray Powell as the unwilling. But Franks discloses when he talked this over with Powell, Powell was entirely on board with the invasion.

Some writers do not tell the entire Powell story. Franks makes sure he speaks up about Powell.

I am one of the draftees. I know what the law was at the time Bush and others were in the national guard or reserves. Buddies of mine went into the Coast Guard reserves so they did not get drafted. Most who hate republicans in general do not mention how many and how often Democrats took full advantage of the same rules we all had to follow.

We all realized from efforts of WW2 and Korea and Vietnam what war means. Clinton bombed the snot out of Saddam yet people act as if they now have total amnesia. Saddam was no friend of Bills nor of Bush's

 

How do you feel about their Friday Prayers? All of them. Not merely radicals.

 

I had just retired after 21 years of service a few years previously. I liked Colin Powell and how he stood up for our military. He understood the consequences of war and foresaw the quagmire we'd be stuck with by invasion and occupation. Do you really believe invading Iraq was worth over 4400 dead American soldiers and a trillion American tax dollars? I don't. I'd rather had just nuked it from orbit.

 

What about them? Religious people pray.

 

Friday prayers are devoted in part to hating Israel and hating Americans.

 

Oh yeah, just like, ah, what was that preacher's name, the GD America guy?