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  1. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    Yes there is massive evidence that Oswald too the three shots.

    We have his rifle with his prints, we have ALL of the recovered bullets and bullet fragments matched to his rifle and only his rifle, we have his prints on the onl recovered shell casings which were also matched to his rifle to the exclusion of any other rifle.

    We have witnesses placing him on the sixth floor alone. He was the only employee of the TSBD to leave and not return. He was the only man in Dallas to evade capture by murdering a police officer. We have autopsy evidence which proves all the shots came from above and behind and from no other direction. We have the vast majority of witnesses whose testimony is in synch with all of the physical evidence.

    On the other hand you have NOTHING

    You have no evidence of a second shooter.

    You have no evidence of any kind which " pokes holes" in the WC report.

    SO now directly quote any part of the WC report which you claim is a lie and present evidence that it is a lie.

    Until you do so you are proven wrong and merely arguing from ignorance and ideology.
     
  2. 9/11 was an inside job

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    Dude there are only THREE posters that have posted on this page of this thread,me,you and Grauf.-i assume you catch my joke behind that sentence? lol so why are you saying that? you dont havwe to try and convince either of us two of that,we know the CIA was behind it all.
     
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    9/11 was an inside job Well-Known Member

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    :clapping::applause::applause:
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    You BELIEVE the CIA was behind it you can offer no evidence of the claim
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    Applaud because I proved him wrong
     
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    You government keeps hiding and suppressing the evidence after they do their murderous jobs such as 9/11 and JFK murder....someone should be executed for doing that, but they won't, they are too corrupt and above the law
     
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    I am not the government and in fact the evidence PROVES Oswald acted alone and the 911 attacks were committed by a conspiracy of muslims.

    Hyperbole is meaningless but it is all you have
     
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    If hyperbole is meaingless why do you continue to use it.guess thats all you know...
    If you had half a brain you would review the actual evidence, but as you do not seem to qualify it is understandable.
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    Well that is simply wrong as the evidence you refer to shows Oswald shot Kennedy and there is no evidence of any one else being involved.
     
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    Greataxe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Obviously Oswald shot Kennedy. However, it seems likely that the Kennedy kill shot may have been from an accidental discharge from a SS agent's new M-16 who was behind him.
     
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    Not at all.

    That theory was proposed long ago and has completely shattered it is not only unlikely but next to impossible.

    The premise is that hundreds of witnesses saw and heard no such gun fire which would have been BLATANTLY obvious to all of them. The agent who held up that weapon was in the same limo as LBJ who saw and heard nothing.

    There is no valid evidence to support it.
     
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    Why is it "obvious"?

    Where did you get that theory from?
     
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    LBJ was caught lying on many occasions.

    But it's still Oswald who deserves the credit for the killing.
     
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    It's obvious from all the facts.

    The final headshot coming from a SS agent theory was from "JFK, the Smoking Gun."
     
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    Yes he was, he also told the truth on many occasions.

    There is simply no valid evidence to back up this theory.. It would require not only LBJ but his wife and the mayor of Dallas and HIS wife and all of the secret service plus about a hundred witnesses on the street to lie and keep quiet.

    Yes the book " JFK the smoking gun" has been long since debunked.

    There is no conspiracy theory which stands up to evidence and facts.
     
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    Greataxe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do you have any test showing that a round from Oswald's rifle would create the same pattern of fragments in JFK's brain as it would in a test medium like a pig's head?

    http://kenrahn.com/JFK/The_critics/Griffith/Ballistics_and_head_wounds.html
     
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    No and neither does anyone else.

    All of the recovered fragments however were matched to Oswald's rifle and no other rifle. In addition the channel of the wound clearly proves the shot came from behind and ABOVE which rules out anyone in one of the follow up cars.
     
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    Greataxe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Okay then. I am only moderately interested in the case, so I have no problem with the 2nd shooter theories being disproven.

    Thanks for the info.
     
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    If that were true the JFK section would not exist in the Conspiracy Theory section of the forum. To millions of people worldwide, the facts do not convince people that Oswald killed JFK, much less that it's "obvious" he did. It may be obvious to you but it is far from obvious generally speaking. The fact is, we don't know all the facts, that is admitted to by the US government, so your claim makes no sense even for you. Some know all or most of the facts but the general public certainly don't have all the facts. All we have is to either accept the official narrative on faith or question it or reject it.

    Ok thanks.
     
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    That is because few [ay attention to the facts and the evidence.
    Much like you.

    Willfully ignoring facts and evidence and instead believing in whatever theory or video comes along without fact checking. When they do bother to fact check they realize the conspiracy theories are all fiction
     
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    Here's what's obvious to me from the facts:

    1. The Zapruder film (evidence) shows JFK's head lurched violently backward on what seems to be the final shot.
    2. The evidence that JFK's brains were at the back of the limo and that the back of his skull was blown out adds support to #1 above.
    3. The evidence shows that there was an obvious stand down immediately prior to the limo turning the corner.



    For me the above evidence shows that JFK was shot from the front by at least one shot and that the actions of the SS brings extreme suspicion that there was prior knowledge. As to the former, it's nearly a slam dunk that there was a shooter other than Oswald (if he even was one of the shooters). As to the latter, it's not a slam dunk but it certainly raises significant questions. What adds to these significant problems is that the official narrative makes no mention of either of these key issues and that Oswald has never been conclusively proven to have shot JFK, never mind being the lone shooter. Circumstantially, the history of the US government is that it does not have any credibility and that it hides volumes of significant evidence under pretext of national security. The bottom line is that from these facts, it's not at all obvious that Oswald killed JFK and may even contradict the theory that Oswald killed JFK.
     
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    I think that has been determined by various findings that Oswald was likely the only shooter, and that the head shot was likely from behind.

    Yes, It's sad that ordinary dudes can plan an attack with rifles and carry them out, be it Las Vegas or Dallas.
     
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    Been done and debunked many times.

    You have two facts but only partial facts.

    One yes his head moved backwards after being shot which is NOT automatic and proof positive evidence of a shot from the front. When people are shot their immediate reactions are often unpredictable they sometimes will move in the opposite direction that one would expect. The jet effect, neurological response and many other forces can cause this. In other words it only LOOKS unusual and in fact the autopsy proves conclusively that the shot to the head came from above and behind.

    As for your second fact yes brain matter and blood was found on the trunk AND on the inside of the windshield AND on the dash board AND on the seats and other people. The point being that head wounds often do burst dramatically spewing blood and brain matter in many different directions. IN addition the limo was moving so much of the material which went up would have landed behind Kennedy once gravity took over.

    In other words you only take a shallow look at these facts and ignore any other facts which do not support your narrative.

    The so called stand down was not a stand down at all it was one and only one SS agent who was simply in the wrong spot and was told to resume his assigned post. It did not happen right before the limo turned THE corner but before it turned A corner specifically as the limo was leaving the airport.

    One agent being told to assume a different post does not constitute a stand down as every other agent was where they were supposed to be and this took place miles before the shooting.


    Yes we do have conclusive proof that Oswald shot Kennedy and did so alone. We have HIS rifle with his print on it we have expended shells with his print. We have every bullet or bullet fragment recovered from the scene which were positively matched to his rifle and no other rifle. We have autopsy evidence showing all of Kennedy's wounds entered from above and behind as well as medical evidence from Connally showing the same thing. We have witnesses placing him at the scene ALONE immediately before the shooting.

    We can prove he was the ONLY employee of the TSBD to leave and failed to return after the shooting and finally it is irrefutable that he shot Officer Tibbets in an attempt to evade capture and he was the only person in Dallas to commit such a specific crime even though others matching his description were stopped by other officers.

    Now of course if you stretch the word conclusive to mean something absolute then you can say no conclusive proof exists, and of course using such a standard no guilty man has ever been convicted of a crime. But if you go with a more logical standard such as reasonable proof then yes there is conclusive proof that Oswald shot Kennedy and no evidence of any one else being involved.

    In addition it has been pointed out before you have admitted you never read the WC report and have no idea what they said so do not make statements about what they addressed when in fact you have no idea.

    They did in fact address the head wound and the movement of his head after being shot
     
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    That is the official narrative. Again, it has never been proven conclusively and does not agree with the video, eyewitness and other evidence. It is not convincing for millions of people who question the official narrative.

    Yes individuals with weapons can plan and carry out all sorts of mayhem but that's not relevant to this discussion. That it can happen doesn't make the official story true (or untrue).

    FYI: I have one specific troll on ignore who insists on stalking me even though he(she?) is well aware that he(she?) is on ignore. I don't respond to trolls.
     
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    you nailed it i am afraid.
     

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