Rue, Britannia <<Moderator's Warning Issued>>

I think Brexit is first of all an American thing, there is evidence of illegal money coming from the US to the Leave Campaign and you are the only people likely to benefit from it. Not that the EU is currently great but the US will benefit by weakening the EU and weakening the UK and making it dependent on the US.

Britain voting to leave did have an effect on other countries wanting to leave. It made them decide to stay.

I'd also say it looks like Britain's democracy is falling apart.

 

No, it's "first of all" a British thing. Whether Americans or Russians may have tipped the scales I don't know, or care. I have the same view on that as I do on Russian involvement in the 2016 election: If the Russians are able to sway our election with some Facebook posts and some leaked emails, we deserve it.

I don't think that's how it's going to play out.

 

Well Boris is supported by the Hedge Funds so what would you expect?

 

So how does that satisfy Brexiteer's demands for taking back control over the borders?

 

It is not a British thing, It is an English Nationalist thing.

Well you can think what you want but what I said was true.

 

Do you really think that voters care about policy? They care about narratives. Yesterday they talked about the need to control migration across borders, tomorrow they'll talk about the importance of free movement in Ireland.

I could draw up a simple syllogism, but I think you already know what I'm saying.

 

It is not a 'British' thing. It almost certainly will end the United Kingdom. It is an English Nationalist thing, those suffering the most from austerity exploited by Corporate Media and US donations as well of course as some of the elite intending on making a financial killing..

 

What do you think I meant by "British thing" as opposed to "American thing" or "Russian thing?"

Yeah, I've already said that.

 

You tried to argue

This is incorrect. Both Scotland and Northern Ireland did not vote for Brexit and Scotland by about two thirds. It is not accurate to talk of Brexit as being 'first of all a British thing'. It is 'first of all' an English Nationalist thing. That is what was used by those conditioning the English poor to vote for it, that and psychological manipulation on social media sites.

However you want to look at it. This is not a British thing and as it has developed it has become more and more likely to lead to the end of the UK.

 

Now you are just havering or are totally ignorant that Britain has 3 countries in it and the United Kingdom has 4.

 

No, it is correct. Even if only English people voted for Brexit, it would still be a British thing, because not only are the English Britons, they're the majority of Britons.

This is such a stupid thing for us to be arguing about. English Nationalists are British, making this a British thing. Can we stop now?

 

I can't be bothered with you arsing about any more. Brexit is an English Nationalist thing. That is what you are supporting.

 

Who gives a ****. They voted to leave, let'm leave. It's not our business. It will prove to be a good move once done.

 

I don't even know what the "arsing" was about to begin with. You got fixated on some strange parsing of the word "British," for no reason.

I'm not supporting Brexit.

 

I said Brexit is not a British thing which is true. Everything you have said since then is what I was talking about. Brexit is an English Nationalist thing,. They are fine with Brexit resulting in the end of the UK. Brexit is not a British thing. It is an English Nationalist thing and will be very destructive for the UK on this never mind on anything else. That you want this for the UK is interesting. I have suggested two things. That you are in support, as many American's are of Brexit to weaken both the EU and the UK or simply you just like ethnic Nationalism. Whatever it is, it is not a British thing. If it was it would be supported by all the countries of England. The only people who voted for it were England and Wales though Wales itself for the first time is also beginning to talk about Independence from England.

Brexit is about English Independence. They call it 'Freedom'.

 

No, it isn't, it's completely nonsensical. Again, unless you're interpreting the word "British" in a manner that I not only wasn't using, but in a manner that is common usage.

It's a strange, pointless semantic game you're trying to play.

...and untrue, as I've already stated.

Is this where I jump all over you regarding the differences between England, Britain, and the UK?

 

It's up to the UK to make a deal or not. It's their choice to leave the EU. So who on earth can this be a mistake made by the EU?

 

Simply, they're banking on Brexit being obviously painful, to deter other countries from leaving the Union. This is a mistake, because in the long-term (or even medium term) it's going to look benign.

 

UK joined the EU as a whole.
Independent Scotland doesn't exist and if it did, Spain said they'd veto it joining the EU.
Why don't you understand that EU doesn't want Scotland without the rest of the UK?
Why do you think EU will be welcoming to an Independent Scotland?
Scotland will leave the EU if it leaves the UK and will leave the EU in the UK if UK leaves the EU, got it?

 

They may be wanting that painful Brexit, but you don't always get what you want.
No deal Brexit is the best and only exit from the EU because a deal the EU offer UK in the EU will never be as good as a no deal exit. To get a better deal, we must leave the EU without a deal.

The EU are demanding a border on the island of Ireland, not UK.
Bring Ireland into a customs union that reflects post EU UK, and, all will be sorted. It's not like Ireland is connected to France by land. Give Ireland the vote for a special status in the EU or, to have EU break the Good Friday Agreement and erect a hard border.

 

https://commonslibrary.parliament.u...-government-analysis-of-the-long-term-impact/

The UK made that forecast with all the general possibilities on the table that countries like Norway and the Swiss are having with the EU at the moment. And in all them cases,... it's negative. So what is your source?

 

Leave 17,410,742 - 51.89%
Remain 16,141,241- 48.11%

Were 48.11% of the voting British populace pro-USSR and 51.89% pro-USA in 2016%?

Were the 59.9% (2.26 million) of Londoners who voted in favour of remaining in the EU in thrall to Putin rather than Putin's choice to lead the US.

Neither, of course.

Ideologues imposing their constricted, dogmatic claptrap on folks is very silly.

 

Sources are for squares. I'm not trying to prove anything to you, I'm giving you my prediction based on a general sense of how history moves. Even if Brexit is "bad" in some sense, I suspect that people will be surprised by just how "world-still-spinning" everything is. And that's going to be bad for those who desperately need the EU to continue existing in something like it's current state.

 

No country ever left something like a trade union like the EU as far as I know. So I do not know what you are meaning with how history moves. Maybe you got it all confused with wishful thinking. While I sourced what experts think. I wouldn't know why not to trust such a report from the UK itself forged under an administration that supports the idea to leave the UK.

 

Why? Because big bad Germany said so? Hey, there are 5 eyes watching you, and they work in unison: US, UK, Australia, Canada, and New Zealand. I don't think they like threats. BEWARE!

THEY KNOW ALL AND SEE ALL

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