Running Newsticker for the War in Ukraine

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    The ‘ Z’ on clothes for Russians is a designation that the wearer in a mindless Zombie.
     
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    First off, Russia did not commit war crimes. Certain Russian soldiers did. The crucial difference is that individuals commit crimes, nations don't. I'll go along with you that Kiril is personally complicit insofar as he is a Putin apologist, but I don't think the entire church is as well. There are Russian orthodox churches in the city I live in. I can't in good conscience hold the members and clergy guilty for stuff they have no real control over.

    While I don't think Russia is in the right in this war, I also think it wrong to hate all things Russian.
     
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    The deliberate bombing and shelling of civilian infrastructure and energy infrastructure is a war crime, so is the forced deportation of civilians. I strongly assume that these things are carried out on Putin's orders, hence Russia is committing war crimes and has been pretty much since day one of this war.
     
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    Putin is the leader of Russia and he is the one who ordered the invasion of Ukraine which he cynically calls a “ special military operation” in the name of Russia. The policy to civilian infrastructure come from the top- Putin. As a result of the top leader of Russia giving the order to destroy civilian targets ( infrastructure) civilians are killed and again children were killed and recently another infant, a two day old infant. The chain of events which culminated in the murder of that two day old infant was initiated by top leader of Russia. Putin who speaks for Russia and controls all the policies of Russia is responsible for the murders and as the leader of Russia he implicated Russia.
    Russia’s war against Ukraine and the Ukrainian people was “justified” by the lie
    claiming that Ukraine’s government which Mr. Zalensky a person with Jewish roots is the president of is a Nazi government. That would be laughable if it was not so sick. Interviews with common Russian citizens, statements by Russian officials, and Russian and pro Russia trolls right here on this forum repeat the false Nazi accusation. So yes Russia committed and continues to commit murder and genocide.
     
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    upload_2022-11-25_11-5-13.png AP News
    After Russian retreat, Ukrainian military plans next move
     
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    Killing civilians is not necessarily a war crime. Destroying infrastructure that might have a military use is also legal.

    I deny that every Russian is guilty of war crimes simply by virtue of their citizenship. I'm pretty sure the UN will back me up on this.

    I'm not going to try to justify Putin's actions, just differentiate between him and the man in the street. When those idiots at Abu Ghraib were caught, Bush II was not held personally responsible. Nor was America as a whole. That was as it should be, for those were the actions of individuals, not the nation.
     
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    Russia is commiting an ILLEGAL occupation of another soveriegn country. Any violence or action on that soil is a war crime. They litterally have no buisness or justification for doing what they are doing and further more they specifically signed a memorandum/treaty declaring that they would never do exactly what they are attempting to do right now.
     
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    When was the US prosecuted for occupying Iraq or Afghanistan? The invasion of Granada is another case in point. Killing bin Laden also violated Pakistan's sovereignty. Where was the outcry then? Israel is doing the same as Russia on the West Bank and the Golan Heights.

    Not justifying Russia's casus belli. It's an outright land grab. But being illegal does not make it a war crime nor the soldiers war criminals.
     
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    Your whataboutism is neither persuasive not accurate.
     
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    whaaaaat abouuutttttt isssssmmmmmmmmmmssss!

    Don't care. Don't care about anything US related from WW1 to Afghanistan. We are talking about Russia's right to be in Ukraine right now and how it's all entirely war crimes.

    Stay focused sir! You can do it!
     
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    You didn't reply to my last statement. I was pointing out evidence that it is true for the rest of my post.

    Read critically! I know you can!!

    Address the point.
     
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    That is not whataboutism. the cases used were evidence that my point is true.

    That point being- in case you missed it or didn't read it- that not all Russians are war criminals.
     
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    Russia's invasion is itself a war crime.
     
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    Ok well I think it does. When you are aggressing on another soveriegn country with the goal to conquer...every single act against the population is a war crime in my eyes. You shouldnt be there. You have no right or excuse to be there, and if you were not there then you wouldn't have any crimes/violence happening.
     
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    ...all the world's a stage
    And all the men and women merely players;
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    You are missing or ignoring the point which in the case of Putin the president of Russia he :
    1- started a war against Ukraine on the premise that he wanted to take over Ukraine
    2- wanted to destroy Ukraine’s independence
    3- keep Ukraine out of NATO
    4- restore the USSR whose demise Putin called the “ mist tragic event of the 20th century
    5-Falsely claimed that Ukraine is run by NAZIS
    The situation in Iraq, Abu Graib as your example goes is not at all the same as the genocide being committed by Russia. Unlike Russia’s invasion of Ukraine the US never invaded to take over Iraq or or permanently occupy any part of Iraq or it’s whole. We also never aimed to permanently occupy Afghanistan either.
    Attacking anything civilian e it infrastructure, food stores, schools hospitals fields of crops is indeed a war crime.
     
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    By the fact that Putin justified the invasion based upon a lie ( saying that Ukraine is being run by NAZIS) and asked upon that lie Rus#ian troops committed war crimes. Survivors of Russian occupation north of Kyiv and east of Kharkiv told Ukrainian investigators and independent press people that Russian troops asked villagers “where are the NAZIS”. That Putin lie self justified the killing of civilians by Russian troops. That makes it a war crime.
     
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    Ukraine Conflict Updates
    Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, November 25

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    Key Takeaways

    • Reports of a group of understaffed and ill-supplied mobilized personnel are dividing the Russian information space.
    • President Vladimir Putin falsely presented a meeting with hand-picked women as an open discussion with mothers of mobilized personnel.
    • An investigation by Forbes’ Ukrainian service revealed that the war in Ukraine has had a serious financial impact on the Russian Federation’s annual budget.
    • The Russian MoD may have increased the frequency of POW exchanges to soothe discontent in the Russian information space.
    • A Ukrainian official confirmed that Ukrainian forces killed Iranian military advisors in Russian-occupied Crimea and threatened to target Iranian military presence on Ukrainian territory.
    • Russian military leadership may be circulating a document stating that Russia needs to mobilize five million personnel to win the war in Ukraine, which Russia cannot do.
    • Russian forces conducted limited counterattacks to regain lost positions northwest of Svatove and Russian sources claimed that Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations toward Kreminna.
    • Russian forces continued to conduct offensive operations in the Bakhmut and Avdiivka areas, and influential Russian figures may be setting informational conditions to deflect blame for a lack of progress in the Bakhmut area.
    • Russian forces continued to establish defenses south of the Dnipro River in Kherson Oblast and around critical ground lines of communication (GLOCs) connecting Crimea to southern Kherson Oblast.
    • Russian sources and officials continue attempts to shape the narrative around a likely second partial mobilization while denying the potential for general mobilization.
    • Russian officials are continuing efforts to stimulate demographic change in occupied areas of Ukraine by deporting Ukrainian residents and replacing them with imported Russian citizens. . . .
    Ukrainian forces continued to strike Russian force concentrations and military assets on the west (left) bank of the Dnipro River and in rear areas in southern Ukraine. Ukrainian and Russian sources reported that Ukrainian forces struck Russian forces along the east bank of the Dnipro River near Nova Kakhovka, Kakhovka, and Liubimivka, and in the Russian rear in Chaplynka and Skadovsk.[63] The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Ukrainian forces struck a Russian force concentration in Zeleny Yar, Zaporizhia Oblast on November 23, destroying two trucks, wounding 12 personnel, and killing 20 personnel.[64] . . . .

    Russian mobilized forces continue to demonstrate ineptitude and extreme disorder. A Russian source stated on November 23 that mobilized soldiers at a training ground in the center of Fedoseevka, Belgorod Oblast accidentally shot a seven-year-old boy walking home from school.[88] This likely represents Russian failure both in locating a training ground in an urban center and in shooting wildly outside of expected paths and directions. A Russian source reported on November 24 that a recently-mobilized intelligence sergeant accidentally shot and killed a fellow soldier in Tolpino, Kursk Oblast.[89] A Russian source claimed on November 24 that a Russian private stabbed a junior commissioned officer four times during a quarrel over an unspecified topic.[90] A Russian source reported on November 24 that a mobilized soldier from Transbaikalia died from a head injury under mysterious circumstances, and unidentified actors continued to purchase alcohol on his card.[91] . . .

    Russian morale remains extremely low. A Russian opposition outlet claimed that 250 Russian soldiers in Zaitseve have refused to fight on the front lines and now hide in basements.[99] Russian officers reportedly entered the basements on November 21 and forced out 100 soldiers at gunpoint.[100] . . .
     
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    Ukraine Conflict Updates

    Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, November 26

    Click here to read the full report.

    Key Takeaways

    • The overall pace of operations in Ukraine is likely to increase in the upcoming weeks as the ground freezes throughout the theater.
    • Russian officials are continuing efforts to deport Ukrainian children to Russia.
    • Russian officials may be trying to counteract Wagner financier Yevgeny Prigozhin’s growing influence through the promotion of other parallel Russian military structures.
    • Russian forces are likely using inert Kh-55 missiles designed solely to carry nuclear warheads in its campaign against Ukrainian infrastructure, highlighting the Russian military’s depletion of high-precision weapons.
    • Russian forces continued defensive operations against ongoing Ukrainian counteroffensive operations along the Svatove-Kreminna line.
    • Russian forces continued offensive operations in the directions of Bakhmut and Avdiivka.
    • Russian forces continued establishing fortifications in eastern Kherson Oblast.
    • Russian tactical, logistical, and equipment failures continue to decrease morale of Russian troops and drive searches for scapegoats. . . . .
    Ukrainian forces continued to strike Russian force concentrations and military assets in Russian rear areas in southern Ukraine. The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Ukrainian forces struck a Russian ammunition depot in Melitopol, Zaporizhia Oblast, injuring 50 Russian military personnel, and two warehouses in Vasylivskyi Raion, injuring 130 personnel and destroying seven pieces of equipment.[35] The Ukrainian Mayor of Melitopol, Ivan Fedorov, reported that Ukrainian forces struck a Russian ammunition depot in Mykhailivka on the northern outskirts of Melitopol on November 25.[36] A Russian milblogger claimed that Ukrainian forces struck Chaplynka (40km south of Nova Kakhovka on the T2202 Nova Kakhovka-Armiansk route) and Skadovsk (R57-T2213 intersection on the Kherson City-Skadovsk route) in Kherson Oblast.[37] . . . .

    Russian forces are likely using inert Kh-55 cruise missiles in their massive missile strike campaign against Ukrainian critical infrastructure, further highlighting the depletion of the Russian military’s high precision weapons arsenal. The United Kingdom Ministry of Defense (MoD) reported on November 26 that Russia is likely removing nuclear warheads from ageing Kh-55 missiles and launching the missiles without warheads at targets in Ukraine.[13] The UK MoD suggested that Russian forces are likely launching the inert missiles as decoys to divert Ukrainian air defenses.[14] Ukrainian officials have previously reported that Russian forces have extensively used the non-nuclear variant of the missile system, the Kh-555, to conduct strikes on critical Ukrainian infrastructure since mid-October.[15] The Russian military’s likely use of a more strategic weapon system in the role of a decoy for Ukrainian air defenses corroborates ISW’s previous reporting that the Russian military has significantly depleted its arsenal of high-precision missiles.[16] The use of more strategic weapons systems in support of the campaign against Ukrainian infrastructure suggests that the Russian military is heavily committed to the strike campaign and still mistakenly believes that it can generate strategically significant effects through that campaign. . . .
     

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