Russia’s newest Su-30 multirole jets and Su-24 bombers practiced attack runs on NATO

Really? You make it sound as though you are China's only customer. Think again.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=c...AChina_Exports_by_Country_Treemap.png;927;879
Exports to the US account for just 20% of China's total global sales, so your fantasy that their economy is capable of being destroyed by the US is just that; fantasy. On the contrary if China decided to halt all exports to the US you would be in serious trouble-unless your manufacturing base suddenly resurfaced and you could offer the public the same products as cheaply as China currently does-which you could not.
Here's just one example:http://www.marketplace.org/topics/b...dered/how-much-would-all-american-iphone-cost

 

Never say never. A large majority of our people did not know how close we came to nuclear war several times in the recent past. So I doubt we would know when our brainless leaders are risking nuclear annihilation for a bit of oil or a power play until it doesnt or does happen. Also I can see a few things on the horizon that could have Russia ready to attack the USA in a preemptive or retaliatory strike. I bet Russia with some one like Putin at the helm would not allow another Reganisqe' total humiliation without some serious ramifications. Even if none of the above happens its obvious that Russia has no qualms with partnering with our enemies like Iran and other countries hostile to the USA and worse to Israel. The middle east remains a bomb ready to explode and the fuses to that bomb are many.

History demonstrates insanity is a very subjective assessment. If Hitler had the bomb I am sure he would have used it Japan too. And the risk of accidents and mistakes loom large too. I wish I could share your optimism.

Hopefully we will exist after that happened. Simply having a powerful nuclear sub or ten helps. The problem is we have no way to know what ten or twenty thousand or even a thousand megaton thermonuclear devices would be like. A full out nuclear war or IMO even a limited nuclear war might so harm the worlds ecosystem that our species would be reduced to small pockets of humanity that would have to adapt fast to learn basic survival in a radioactive world that may resemble mars more than our current world. reva

 

Pretty much right on the money. Anyone dumb enough to believe that anything like 'business as usual' would be possible after a nuclear exchange is in serious need of a reality check. At best we would be reduced to hunter/gatherer/scavenger status. There would be no civil infrastructure, no hospitals, shops, functioning motor vehicles (electronics fried by EMP) for transporting goods (food), or any of the modern conveniences we take for granted. No more malls, McDonalds (for that we can at least be grateful), no radio or TV.

If you can find a copy I strongly recommend 'War Plan UK' by Duncan Campbell; a chilling expose of Britain's civil defence plans if we were to suffer a nuclear strike. I suspect America's is much the same; our police, for example, have instructions to shoot anyone deemed incapable of surviving their injuries. Central government would cease to function; instead autonomous regional seats of government would take over control of their immediate area and martial law would immediately be declared.

http://www.duncancampbell.org/content/war-plan-uk

 

I agree SS. I dont think the generation that grew up not fearing an imminent nuclear attack understands how devastating a nuclear bomb is. Nuclear war would be so horrific surviving may be the worst thing that could happen. I wish Spielberg and other directors would team up to create a XXX (for violence and carnage) rated movie about a full nuclear war. It would have to be as graphic as the real thing or as close as possible. Or, and I hate to say this maybe an limited attack would force people to see what a real nuclear war would be like. reva

 

Probably the most accurate, scary and least sensationalist film made is this:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_Game
So close to the unpleasant reality that it was banned from being broadcast. It is emphatically not a Hollywood-style apocalypse blockbuster. Let nobody be under any illusion that a thermonuclear exchange is 'survivable' in any real sense of the word. You might live but what would be the point? I don't think you need anything much more graphic than film of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the devastation these primitive and relatively tiny devices caused, the horrific injuries people sustained and whose babies, even today, are still being born with genetic defects as a result of radiation poisoning.

 

Not that this will ever happen.....but the U.S. Navies and Royal Navies Ohio Class and Vanguard Class Nuclear Subs all equipped with the Trident D-5 MIRVed Missiles are capable of destroying all Russian SS-20 Nuclear Mobile Missiles and all Russian Hardened Silo Missiles with direct hits and doing so so quickly that Russia would not have time to properly respond.

We have removed the Pershing II Intermediate Range Tactical Missiles from Germany and these had a flight time of only 3 Minutes to targets.

But Nuclear War is OBSOLETE.

It is all about Economics now.

AboveAlpha

 

AA.... I quoted you again over into this rather active discussion.....

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=411934&page=12&p=1065082495#post1065082495

Why Liberals Are More Intelligent Than Conservatives

 

Yeah, You forgot to mention that Russia also has some extremely capable nuclear submarines-and there is no way to target 100% of anyone's nuclear arsenal. If even a tiny percentage of the Russian ICBM/MIRV (up to 10 independently targeted warheads in one Russian missile) strike force reaches the US your society will cease to function.

 

Of course....a Nuclear War in unwinnable.

Even if we took out the vast majority of Russian Mobile Lanchers and Silos and there is little doubt we would be able to take out all Soviet Bombers headed toward the U.S. and Canada.....even if only 12 Nukes struck the U.S. it would be a catastrophe!

Russian Boomer...(Nuclear Missile Subs).....are all tracked by U.S. Attack Subs and even these we would be able to destroy the vast majority....but not all.

Since I have been in many a Battle I more so than most people KNOW how wasteful and STUPID WAR IS AND I ABHORE IT!!!

And for this reason more than any is why Putin P!$$E$ ME OFF!!!

Understand that Putin and 110 of his Buddies who are all former KGB, FDS, GRU, Old Soviet Military Brass and Communist Leadership own and control EVERY SINGLE LARGE COMPANY IN RUSSIA!!!

They just SEIZED THEM!!

Then what is the biggest joke and theft of Money from the Russian People....after they seized all these Companies which BURNED THE EUROPEANS who had invested BILLIONS into Russian Private Companies.....Putin and his Buddies call them.....STATE OWNED!! LOL!!!!

Yet they call all those Natural Gas and Oil Companies STATE OWNED.....NOT ONE SINGLE DIME OF PROFIT from these STATE OWNED COMPANIES has been used to help rebuild crumbling if not completely crumbled RUSSIAN INFRASTRUCTURE!!!

All that Oil and Gas going to China....well ask a Russian Family if they have seen any PROFIT or ask them if their lives have gotten better or if JOBS have been created.

Putin and his 110 Buddies that own and control over 35% of all Russian Wealth are NOT SHARING!!

So what does Putin do to take the eyes of his own people off this theft....He CREATES A FALSE SENSE OF AN EMMINENT WAR WITH THE UNITED STATES AND NATO!!

Just about every public speech Putin makes talks about possible war.

It's just a bad joke.

AboveAlpha

 

So far Putin has managed to avoid a direct war with the US or one of its minion states since Georgia when Medvedev was president, is that what has you so upset? Do you work for a US defence industry company?

Freddy.

 

Putin P!SSE$ ME OFF because he has these Political Rallies and much of his talk is directed about an inevitable war betweeen Russia and the United States.

Well that just is not going to happen!!!

Putin has been using a form of MISDIRECTION AS IN ONE HAND HE DISPLAYS THE INFINITIELY SMALL POSSIBILITY OF WAR WITH THE UNITED STATES TO RUSSIAN'S.....and while Russian's are looking at his hand portraying war.....with his OTHER HAND...Putin steals all State Owned Oil and Gas Profits.

How is it that YOU CANNOT SEE OR UNDERSTAND THIS?????

Chances of a WAR with the U.S......ZERO%

Chances that Putin and his 110 Buddies will ROB RUSSIA BLIND....100%.

AboveAlpha

 

Perhaps one of our Russian contributers can clarify Putin saying war is inevitable between the US & Russia & under what circumstances because I don't see where you got that from.

Have a look at the US, all nations have their share of rich people, Putin just makes sure the ones in Russia pays their taxes.

If Medvedev had still been the Russian president & McCain been elected US president it would have already happened.

Prove it,

Freddy.

 

.Report: 110 people own 35 pct of Russia's wealth.
October 9, 2013 10:15 AM

....MOSCOW (AP) — A staggering 35 percent of household wealth in Russia is owned by just 110 people, the highest level of inequality in the world barring a few small Caribbean islands, a report by a major investment bank says.

By contrast, billionaires worldwide account for just 1-2 percent of total wealth, Credit Suisse said in its report published Wednesday. Russia has one billionaire for every $11 billion in wealth while in the rest of the world there is one for every $170 billion.

The fall of Communism saw Russia's most prized assets sold off to a small circle of businessmen later known as oligarchs. President Vladimir Putin allowed them to keep their wealth in exchange for their political loyalty.

Metals and banking tycoons Vladimir Potanin and Mikhail Fridman, who made their fortunes in the 90s, are still high on the list of Russia's richest men. But the past decade saw a rise of new billionaires who draw their wealth from state contracts and some of whom are known to be the presidents' friends, like Gennady Timchenko.

Credit Suisse said that there were hopes with the demise of the Soviet Union that Russia would turn into a high skilled economy with fair wealth distribution but "this is almost a parody of what happened in practice."

The 35 percent of wealth that Russian billionaires own is equivalent to $420 billion.

"Russia has the highest level of wealth inequality in the world, apart from small Caribbean nations with resident billionaires," the bank said in the report.


LINK....http://news.yahoo.com/report-110-pe...yb21tBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--

AboveAlpha

 

Report: 110 people own 35 pct of Russia's wealth Oct. 9, 2013 10:15 AM EDT 915Share article MOSCOWCopyright 2015 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.55.752237.6156

MOSCOW (AP) — A staggering 35 percent of household wealth in Russia is owned by just 110 people, the highest level of inequality in the world barring a few small Caribbean islands, a report by a major investment bank says.

By contrast, billionaires worldwide account for just 1-2 percent of total wealth, Credit Suisse said in its report published Wednesday. Russia has one billionaire for every $11 billion in wealth while in the rest of the world there is one for every $170 billion.

The fall of Communism saw Russia's most prized assets sold off to a small circle of businessmen later known as oligarchs. President Vladimir Putin allowed them to keep their wealth in exchange for their political loyalty.

Metals and banking tycoons Vladimir Potanin and Mikhail Fridman, who made their fortunes in the 90s, are still high on the list of Russia's richest men. But the past decade saw a rise of new billionaires who draw their wealth from state contracts and some of whom are known to be the presidents' friends, like Gennady Timchenko.

Credit Suisse said that there were hopes with the demise of the Soviet Union that Russia would turn into a high skilled economy with fair wealth distribution but "this is almost a parody of what happened in practice."

The 35 percent of wealth that Russian billionaires own is equivalent to $420 billion.

"Russia has the highest level of wealth inequality in the world, apart from small Caribbean nations with resident billionaires," the bank said in the report.

LINK....http://www.bigstory.ap.org/article/report-110-people-own-35-pct-russias-wealth

AboveAlpha

 

MOSCOW — A staggering 35 per cent of household wealth in Russia is owned by just 110 people, the highest level of inequality in the world barring a few small Caribbean islands, a report by a major investment bank says.

By contrast, billionaires worldwide account for just 1 to 2 per cent of total wealth, Credit Suisse said in its report published today (Oct 9). Russia has one billionaire for every US$11 billion (S$13.7 billion) in wealth while in the rest of the world there is one for every US$170 billion.

The fall of communism saw Russia’s most prized assets sold off to a small circle of businessmen later known as oligarchs. President Vladimir Putin allowed them to keep their wealth in exchange for their political loyalty.

Metals and banking tycoons, Mr Vladimir Potanin and Mr Mikhail Fridman, who made their fortunes in the 90s, are still high on the list of Russia’s richest men. But the past decade saw a rise of new billionaires who draw their wealth from state contracts and some of whom are known to be the presidents’ friends, like Mr Gennady Timchenko.

Credit Suisse said that there were hopes with the demise of the Soviet Union that Russia would turn into a high skilled economy with fair wealth distribution but “this is almost a parody of what happened in practice”.

The 35 per cent of wealth that Russian billionaires own is equivalent to US$420 billion.

“Russia has the highest level of wealth inequality in the world, apart from small Caribbean nations with resident billionaires,” the bank said in the report. AP

LINK....http://www.todayonline.com/world/europe/110-people-own-35-russias-wealth-credit-suisse-report

AboveAlpha

 

That still does not prove they will rob Russia blind, the top 1% of Americans own about the same percent of wealth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distribution_of_wealth
"What were you thinking of listing the same article from three different media outlets, are you trying to prove Jenny right about main stream media in the US being centrally controlled?

 

Your are supplying data from 2007.....8 years ago!!!

There have been dramatic changes since then.

Plus compared to the Average Russian Worker.....even the Bottom lowest Income Group in the U.S. is WEALTHY by comparison!!

AboveAlpha

 

Also Credit Suisse a very accurate and reliable group has listed the average Russian Medium Income....which means this number is where 50% of Russia makes more money and 50% of Russian's make less money at a DISMAL NUMBER of only $1002.

INDIA....has a Medium Income for their people at $1211......FREAKIN' INDIA!!!

And India has a Population of over a BILLION PEOPLE!!!

Russia's Population is just over 145 Million.

Just to show the economic disparity....the United States and it's Territories as if you are born and are a Citizen of Guam, Puerto Rico, Samoa....and a Thousand Oher Island U.S. Territories all over the world.....YOU ARE A U.S. CITIZEN....the U.S. Economy existed in 2014 at just a bit over $17.7 Trilion.

This $17.7 Trillion was accomplished with just 320 Million American's.

China which has the #2 Largest World Economy came in at $6 Trillion and as China PURPOSELY under reports it's Population to get the U.N. Human Rights, U.N. Poverty Commision and U.N. Economic Disparity Commision off their A$$....China's actual population is about 1.7 Billion as they under report their population by about 300 Million.

Thus China with 1.7 Billion People and a $6 Trillion Economy is generating only 1/3rd the total U.S. Economy with about 6 TIMES the amount of people.

Russia which has an economy that will shrink by 5.5% to 7% in 2015 had a $1.97 Trillion Economy in 2014 generated by 80% of OIL EXPORTS!

Thus about $1.6 Trillion of Russia's Economy comes from Energy Exports leaving close to only $400 Billion being generated by 145 Million People!!

This is DISMAL BEYOND BELIEF!!!

AboveAlpha

 

All of that still does not explain how you think Putin is allowing 110 rich people to rob Russia blind. As for the US having a $17.7 trillion economy it also has a debt of over $18 trillion, the Russian economy is priced at a level where it can survive & grow again but the US economy is overpriced.

Freddy.

 

$18 Trillion in Debt is nothing for us.

As U.S. Energy Prices are the cheapest on the Planet the U.S. Economy is beginning to BOOM and estimates have the U.S. Economy growing to over $24.3 Trillion by 2020.

China has no way of forcing Payment as they broke the GOLDEN RULE OF LENDING.....that being.....NEVER LEND MONEY TO ANYONE OR ANY GROUP OR NATION YOU CANNOT FORE PAYMENT FROM.

Along with the Chinese Economy being dependent on Chinese Goods Exported to the United States and nothing China exports to us is necessary......we have effectively caused China to be dependent upon the United States.

The Chinese Communist Party Leadership made the mistake of thinking if the lent all that money to the U.S. that it could help them sway U.S. Foreign Policy.

It had the exact opposite effect.

If China were to attempt some type of Military Action say China was getting ready to Invade Taiwan.....the U.S. can not only destroy all Chinese PLN carrying Trooop Carriers of PLA Soldiers at WILL.....but as well we could simply refuse entry into U.S. Ports of any and all Chinese Export Carrying Ships and stop all Load Payments.

This woud have the effect of COLLAPSING THE CHINESE ECONOMY WITHIN A WEEK!!

China is not even CLOSE to being a match against the U.S. Military so this is why China pays attention to what we tell them.

If they want to have their Economy SURVIVE.....they have abandoned all attempts at Invading Taiwan and they were EMABRRASSED when China sent a Naval Force to intimidate Japan oer those DISPUTED ISLANDS and the massive U.S. Naval Pressence COMPLETELY IGNORED THE CHINESE FLEET!!

China knew we could have blown them out of the water at will....instead we sent one of our Virginia Class Attack Subs near their Flotilla and gave them a PRESENT OF 8 10 Gallon Buckets of ICE CREAM!!

The Chinese PLN Leadership went home with their tails tucked firmly between their legs and said it was EMABRRASSING!!!

AboveAlpha

 

It's an interesting trick - share of US economy among population just, but point to Energy sector for Russia
For instance in RU we do not have food stamps. If US peoples are so rish why they need food stamps ?

 

The only reason your energy costs are cheap is because your government is subsidizing them-with your tax money, ironically so, in fact, the illusion is that your gas is cheap at the pump when, in fact, the reality is somewhat different,

 

Oil production in the US as reach a new record this year. The US has oil in abundance.

 

The frackers must have got busy again then if that is the case. Will be interesting to see if oil production can keep up with demand if the wold's economy ever truly recovers. Record US oil production & oil still floating around at $US60/barrel.

 

We have poorin the U.S. but things like EBT Cards....we no longer use food stamps....are for those that qualify and most people who get EBT Cards only have them for a Limited amount of time as the purpose is to et them working with a JOB unless they cannot work and then they can get Disability Payments.

Remember...I have been to Russia and Russian's who are considered Low Middle Class would be considered POOR in the U.S.

AboveAlpha

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Actually if our Gasoline was not taxed so heavily we would only be paying about 90 Cents a Gallon.

AboveAlpha