Russia’s newest Su-30 multirole jets and Su-24 bombers practiced attack runs on NATO

If the Crimea wanted to secede from the Ukraine there were Constitutional mechanisms for a vote to be taken by the Crimea within the Legal mechanisms of the Ukraine.

THEN....a second vote would take place if the Crimea intended to join Russia.

The manner it was actualy done was illegal.

First Spetsnaz came in and paid Russian Speaking Crimean's to start a war.....then a vote was set up by Russia.

This was about Crimean Natural Gas and Oil and th Ukrainaian Pipelne.

AboveAlpha

 

No the law on the referendum in ukraine! I have already said that in 1995 ukraine suppressed the people. It was impossible to hold a referendum legitimate way. You are very naive. Your governments have divided the world into people's first and second grade. NATO is first class and for the people there are the democracy and the referendum. For us there is no referendum, and democracy.

 

It should be easy for you to post a LINK to a source showing me and others info about this 1995 Referendum right?

AboveAlpha

 

In Crimea even was been elected president! If you are not able to use the internet then I'll certainly help.
http://www.refworld.org/docid/469f38ec2.html
I especially liked it here:

That is, when the Soviet border have changed then it legally, democratically etc. But if the Russian people want to live with their homeland then it is undemocratic and imperialistic desires of the Russia. The Russia wants to take over the world! Kill all the Russian! You do not care about the truth, treaties and laws. Therefore, the Russia has chosen the path of force.

 

Here are some interesting hghlights.

Jul 16, 1993 The anti-Ukrainian Popular Assembly declares that only Russian laws should be valid in the city of Sevastopol, new elections to the city council should be held, Sevastopol deputies in Kiev should be dismissed and new elections for deputies to be sent to Russia should be held, the Ukrainian naval headquarters should be removed forcibly from Sevastopol, and Russia should cut off oil deliveries to Ukraine. The declarations are accompanied by anti-Ukrainian / pro-Russian demonstrations. Meshkov makes statement that once Sevastopol is reunited with Russia, the rest of Crimea would soon follow. Non-Russians throughout Crimea and in Kiev denounce the statement. Most of these sentiments are not held by Russians in the rest of Ukraine. Many Crimean Russians yearn for a return to the Soviet Union and re-establishment of Soviet authority in Ukraine.

Jul 21, 1993 The UNSC declares the Russian parliament's resolution on Sevastopol in violation of the UN Charter and the 1990 Russo-Ukrainian treaty establishing their common borders.

These two next one's are a shame!!

May 6, 1994 Russians in Crimea celebrate Crimean Constitution Day in Simferopol. The festivities include a rally for Crimean independence which is attended by 15,000 people.


Jun 4, 1994 Agreement is reached between deputies of the Crimean and Ukrainian parliaments. The deputies agree that Crimean law is overridden by the Ukrainian constitution and that both sides should come to agreement on a division of powers between Kiev and Simferopol. The accord is rejected by the Crimean parliament three days later.

Aug 3, 1994 The Crimean minister of economics reports that Crimea is becoming more and more dependent on Ukraine for trade and less so on Russia. He reported that 80% of Crimean manufactures are sold in Ukraine.

Oct 8, 1996 Crimean Russians held a congress and proclaimed it their legislature. The congress was attended by Russian State Duma Deputy Vladimir Davidenko. The congress also issued a declaration "On the National Unity of the Russian People."


There is a lot more but none of this means anything and I will explain why.

In return for the United States Military Nuclear, Chemical and Biological Weapons Teams environmentally safe purchasing and destroying all old Soviet Weapons in the Ukraine, Georgia, Russia and many other former Soviet States.......RUSSIA PROMISED IN WRITING TO THE UNITED STATES THAT RUSSIA WOULD NEVER EVER INVADE, ANNEX OR INTERFERE WITH THESE NOW INDEPENDENT NATIONS.

The COST to U.S. Taxpayers was over $300 BILLION and there are U.S. Military Biological Weapons Destruction and Bioweapons Lab Clean Up Teams WORKING IN RUSSIA RIGHT NOW!!!

The United States FORCED Europe to forgive MULTIPLE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN OWED DEPT TO EUROPE BY RUSSIA.

This is Russia's current problem.....YOU DON'T MAKE A DEAL WITH THE UNITED STATES AND THEN BREAK THAT DEAL!!!

Russia and Putin broke the DEAL.

The U.S. has the ability to completely collapse the Russian Economy without ever firing a single shot.

The U.S. also has the Massive Economic Power and Influence to fix the Russian Economy and make Russia a VERY PROSPEROUS NATION.

The choice is up to you.

AboveAlpha

 

You still deny that people want to live with the Russia? I thought so))) Good. You deny our right then we deny your right.

300 billion this is a lie!

Again, you're lying. No one forgave the debts of Russia.

I heard Biden said there will be more sanctions, and Russia's economy will be destroyed. Hurry! The more time passes then the more the Russian economy adapts.

 

I have been the one advocating a Partnership....you advocate hate.

AboveAlpha

 

US leadership wants to kill me. They want to kill all the Russians and destroy The Russia. That's what I hear every day. All of US policy say about it. Are you sure that I provoke the hate?

 

Really?

Find me one quote by any U.S. Governmental source that has said this.

AboveAlpha

 

Alpha?
Lol. (Sorry too corny to resist)

 

Are you kidding? You did not hear calls to kill Russian?
[video=youtube;3EJLi23fTPg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EJLi23fTPg[/video]

You do not hear what they say in your Congress? Everything is translated into Russian, and we see it and we hear it. Do not you know what Obama said Clinton, Biden, Kerry, McCain, Nuland etc? Do not you know that our borders there is the American army and thousands of winged rocket ???? Then you're an idiot. At first I did not believe that in the US speak about the Russians so badly. I learned English and now I am 1000% know that the United States wants to kill me and my country. Damned American terrorists. Push in an Anchor in ass of USA.

 

Coup in Ukraine and mass murder and torture to the Russians this is "Russia and China Will Pay".
[video=youtube;24ltPixsIGQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24ltPixsIGQ[/video]

 

It is made by American puppets.
[video=youtube;73a0FiE_iaw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73a0FiE_iaw[/video]

 

Look at the Russian separatists. This is the city Lugansk. Why bomb the innocent people ??????? But Obama and other bastards support it.
[video=youtube;t7_7lDFxnWQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7_7lDFxnWQ[/video]
If you're not a bastard like Obama and Hillary you will see that this is civilians.

 

Your nuts!! LOL!!!

Yeah.....the U.S. has spent all this time , money and effort trying to help Russia become a STABLE DEMOCRACY WITH A STABLE ECONOMY.....and you think we want to KILL YOU???? LOL!!!!

If we wanted to KILL YOU....we could have just allowed all those Biological, Nuclear and Chemical Weapons that the Sovets built....REAL HALF A$$ED by the way......and just waited for them to degrade because Russia wasn't doing anything about it.....and they would have killed you eventually.

Just in ONE YEAR in 2000....the U.S. spent $47 Billion trying to deal with SOVIET BIOLOGICAL LABS THAT HAD WEAPONZED SMALL POX!!!

COME ON!!!

WHAT KIND OF IDIOTS MAKE WEAPONZED SMALL POX AND THEN JUST TO MAKE MORE THINGS DANGEROUS PLACE THEM IN A CHAIN OF PEARLS WARHEAD CONFIGURATION UNDER PRESSURE which is usually reserved for VX GAS!!!

WHAT KIND OF INSANE PEOPLE DO THAT???

AND THEN JUST LEAVE THESE LABS WITHOUT GUARDS???

You can say what you want about the United States BUT WE SAVED YOUR A$$E$!!! ALL OF THEM!!!

AboveAlpha

 

Stop lying. I read your forums and I see the attitude of US citizens to us. 80% of all Americans want to bomb other nations. You are like Nazi Germany. Obama fart in your head that the Americans are an exceptional nation. You believe in it and supports all.

 

You are something arn't you! LOL!!!

We tried to help Russia....but I guess there are too many people like you who would rather be ruled by a Dictator than think for yourselves.

AboveAlpha

 

I personally want the military supremacy of America (and your allies), over all other nations to continue....... and I personally believe that the key to keeping that supremacy may lie in how we treat the nation of Israel?

http://www.politicalforum.com/religion-philosophy/428114-canadians-americans-we-beast-rev.html

Canadians and Americans, are WE the Beast of Rev and....



Is the G-d of Abraham about to prove H-s supremacy over all military technology by making fools out of us?

Should we be taking those chariot wheels in the Red Sea much much more seriously?

What about the UFO over the Temple Mount event of January 2011, was that a warning for us???????

 

I turned this into a new topic in the Polls section:

Can the F-35 play a role in world peace?

 

Wow!

That is certainly an impressive deal!

 

Very interesting information indeed!

 

Folks, time to Get Smart. When the legionnaires disease broke out, we had no protection for our Marines. After the Contaminated Cucumber epidemic in Germany and the Ebola in Africa, we are much better prepared. I have a plan an easy one to avoid all the ugliness described above.

Many of you believe religion is the cause of WAR and strife...I do not, I respect and admire ALL RELIGIONS and try to understand them like I do languages. In fact as a REAL AMERICAN, I believe all men were created EQUAL.

Equal but different. Not just by the color of the skin, obviously.

Josef was not like his 12 brothers. He was not blessed like them. His children have the blessing of the Gd of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.... none of the others do. They were not created for the same mission. That being said, they all have one vital mission:

To keep the deal made with Josef as ordered by Gd of the the 11 sons of Jacob.... because that's what they are the 70 descendents of Jacob! Josef is to be brought out of Egypt and not to come out on his own. So Moses told the 70 elders in Egypt "Pakod Pakodeti" and they all went with him to meet Pharaoh. Yet when he went to ask help from at least one out of 600 000 during the 3 days of darkness, no one volunteered. I consider this a miracle. Just like Moses and Joshua being born in the same water where Josefs remains were resting. Unusual place to be born, unusual place to be buried, one woman had the secret to his location, she was the oldest woman and she lived to see him buried at the proper location... she was the young girl he never married because he was sold into slavery by his brothers. The Promise that was not kept with Josef can be kept with Rabbi Nachman. He like the Maddi was born again in Israel out of a well and has been spreading the saying "please rest in peace Nachman". This is why Rabbi Nachman's last words make sense: " What are you worried about? I am going before you, just be united and I will be with you". If the people of Israel are United and the 70 nations bring the bones, just like they paid their respects to Shimon Peres who was very serious about this, they will immediately be relieved of not having kept their promise to Gd and the stage will be set for the next episode in Human History, when Gd has to take the side of the Amalekite looser and a united Humanity chases him down to please Gd, this being the last generation.

Ishmael and Esav are neither Arab or Christian, they are people that turn everything into deserts or urban jungles neither is Gdly. Humans need to live where you can have a horse and pray to Gd in the field, humans were always meant to be children of Jacob.

The Money People, the Esavs, are no match for Gd. This doesn't mean we should escape to the desert or revert everything back to a desert. We need to believe in our own strength and put our fear and hatred aside by being constantly happy. Anyone who wants to bring the bones to Jerusalem is guaranteed happiness based on the amount of effort he puts into this.

 

The people of Russia and President Putin have a serious choice to make.

Since the 1970's the leadership of Russia saw the alliance between America and
Israel as the key to destroying America.

This policy must be reconsidered........ and abandoned........... because it will lead to
terrible destruction for the Russian people.


Russia and its influence on Mideast terrorism...
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...nd-its-influence-on-mideast-terrorism.505610/

President Putin is a dictator..... he has a great deal more influence over the direction that
Russia takes than anybody else........
if he were to personally grab onto the option of supporting bringing the remains of
Rabbi Nachman of Breslov from the Ukraine to Israel.......
he would gain a great deal of respect in this world as well as in the next.


Would you like to see the remains of Rabbi Nachman taken to Israel?

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ains-of-rabbi-nachman-taken-to-israel.405032/

 

Russia has certainly been threatening Israel, especially since the 1970's, with
nothing less than a continuation of what Adolf Hitler and the Nazi's began during WWII.


Russia and its influence on Mideast terrorism...

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...nd-its-influence-on-mideast-terrorism.505610/

 

If a russkie says so about America - I love America