Russia 'actively involved' in French election, warns US Senate intelligence chief

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  1. litwin

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    what help can , will get France and other American allies from Senate Intelligence Committee , CIA/FBI , etc. will it be enough to stop Kremlin kleptocracy from ruin free world coming elections, like it did with American election ?
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    The head of the powerful Senate Intelligence Committee warned Wednesday that Russia is interfering in the French election just as it did in the US presidential campaign last year.
    Senator Richard Burr, who has access to some of the most highly classified US intelligence, said Moscow has shown a clear will and ability to disrupt elections in Western democracies.

    "What we might assess was a very covert effort in 2016 in the United States, is a very overt effort, as well as covert, in Germany and France," he told reporters.

    "I remind you that we're within 30 days of the first French election, with four candidates. It will go down to two candidates with a runoff in May," he said.

    "I think it's safe by everybody's judgment that the Russians are actively involved in the French elections." http://www.france24.com/en/20170330...h-election-warns-us-senate-intelligence-chief
     
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    Not a surprise for us aware intelligent people.
     
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    In other words - whichever parties loose in France - they are going to blame Russia for their incompetence and inability to make an attractive electoral campaign.
     
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    the question, what USA Intelligence, and American state in general can do in order to stop Kremlin kleptocracy?
     
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    Everyone's involved in everyone else's elections. USA, France, Israel, Russia,Turkey and the the rest. The only reason it's in the news now is because Hillary lost and they had to blame it on something besides her.
     
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    a well know Kremlin narrative (explanation) , why in this case USA is a democratic country , meanwhile Muscovy is a terrible kleptocracy (check out any democracy, free- election index, any)
     
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    Kremlin kleptocracy is the only thing keeping Russia from reverting back to serfs and masters again. The tzars knew more about how to run a dictatorship than Putin ever dreamed of.
     
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    Them slimey Russians...always meddling in other countries elections.

     
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    ROFL.

    Aware?

    Intelligent?

    Friend, neither of these are true in this particular instance.

    You don't see whats going on, do you?

    The world is rejecting radical batshit liberalism.

    France is going to elect Marine Le Pen and give two middle fingers to the same moonbatism that we Americans tossed into the toilet on November 8th of last year.

    The American Democrats know this just as the French liberals do.

    This is preparation for the wave of Russian boogeymen conspiracy theories and fake news that the Leftist of the world will **** upon the population when their failed ideology gets defeated.

    You cant see it, and to me ...that is comical.

    Because it is so ****ing obvious hahaha!
     
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    If their involvement is just twitter and facebook posts, like its claimed to be in America, I dont think france has anything to worry about.

    In the end, the French will decide for themselves.

    Personally, I think all this bullcrap is made up by leftys so they can pretend their values are valid.
     
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    God I hope not.. The Dutch dodged a bullet with the defeat of Geert Wilders. Europeans remember the result of rabid nationalism.
     
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    really? whats about a small group of Putin´s friends who control 90% if not more of all cash in Muscovy? and dont you know that Putin is czar already, according many Muscovites?

    Putin the Terrible: Understanding Russia's New Tsar | The Huffington ...
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    Russian President Vladimir Putin. The first Russian monarch to claim the title of “Tsar” was Ivan IV (1530-1584). Tsar was a corruption of ... Take the sanctions imposed on Russia as a result of its seizure of the Crimea. On Russian television ...
     
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    LOL, sorry, )) "twitter and facebook posts"
     
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    Le Pen? :roflol:

    Trump was an unexpected fluke, Brexit came out of nowhere, but Le Pen has much moire working against her than either Trump or Brexit.
     
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    Europe's Far-Right Enjoys Backing from Russia's Putin - NBC News
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    13 feb. 2017 - Russia Investing in Europe's Far Right Parties to Upend EU Politics, Experts ... Le Pen has denied that she was seeking additional money from .


    National Front seeks Russian cash for election fight - Politico Europe
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    19 feb. 2016 - Marine Le Pen's National Front asked Russia for a €27 million loan to ... party is notoriously strapped for cash as French banks refuse to lend it .

    etc.
     
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    Thats what just came out in the US media today.

    The supposed russian tampering in the US election is based on anti hillary twitter and facebook posts.....

    lol
     
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    well, i am watching right new France24 they name much more then "hillary twitter and facebook posts" , watch video which posted before, a lot of info how Muscovite hybrid warfare works
     
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    Whatever gets you through the day buddy.

    But take care of yourself ok?

    Because the world is rejecting liberal radicalism.

    You'll be saying hello to President Le Pen here real soon.
     
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    French election are two stage election and the winner will depend of who go to the second stage. If it's François Fillon, Marine le Pen have a real chance to be elected.
    But for the moment, F.Fillon is in the third place in the poll. The second is E.Macron, the first M.Le Pen.
     
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    does Fascists candidate have a chance with help of Kremlin kleptocracy to take over France? then destroy EU, NATO, the world bank etc. from inside ?
     
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    About NATO, that's complicated. France were in NATO during the creation of NATO but leave quickly, prefering staying indenpendant and discussion with both USA and USSR. The former president N.Sarkozy put back France into NATO but that was rather an impopular decision. Sarkozy were extremly unpopular and corrupted, when the guy who put out France out of NATO was known to be extremly honnest, the general De Gaulle.

    They have a chance.

    But honnestly, thinking that the situation is as simple than "the bad fascist against the nice democratic people" is really naive.

    We are in deep corruption problem :
    Former president N.Sarkozy spended national money for his own profit, was into many corruption cases with pakistan and lybia, tried to give his son a very important job (his son was only 23 YO with no diplome).
    The nowodays candidate F.Fillon : created a false job for his wife (a job she was paid for but didn't got the money for), created false job for his children (and it was shown the children gave back a part of their money to their dad), accepted 50 000 euros equivalent of gift from anonymous people on the form of watch and costumes, created a society named "2F" and was paid by an insurrance company 50 000 euros, while he was a representant of the people for "advices", barely go to the assembly.

    And For both N.Sarkozy and F.Fillon, I probably forget some things. French are sick of those elite who act in an irresponsible and dishonest way, when the french had to do intense efforts to reduce the state way of life.

    Since the treaty of Maastricht, the poverty in France increased a lot. So yes, for the moment, people start to be sick of europe who brought them mainly poverty. French people are sick of their so-called elites, sick with corruption, and the anger toward french elites are directed too toward EU.
     
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    who said about "the bad fascist against the nice democratic people"? i say "the bad fascist against the democratic people", and yes i know France is deep in economic troubles , which of cos penetrate your politic , but still Le Pen is a fascist and populist , who can kill your 4th(?) republic
     
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    It's the fifth one. Yes may be Le Pen is a fascist and a populist, but being corrupted is as immoral than being a fascist.
    She would kill the fifth republic ? And what are doing the corrupted, the crooked ?

    Le Pen is usefull to the corrupted. They steal, they destroy, they profit then they will be "Vote for me ! Vote for me or the big bad wolf will come".

    I don't want to support corruption. Corruption is even more pernicious, slow and devastating that people like le Pen.
     
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    Nonsense. The human mind is more keen to remember negative things then positive. A great day can easily be ruined by a coffee spill or an aggressive driver.

    Don't play this petty, contrived game.

    It has nothing to do with "attractive" campaigning.

    You rightists are so delusional.
     
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    Is this supposed to me news?........

    The Obama administration itself sent $350,000 to interfere in Israel's election. That's pretty "actively involved" to me.
     
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