Russia Declares War on Ukraine

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  1. Monash

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    Really? So the Russian army committed war crimes when they defended Lennigrad, Stalingrad and all the other cities attacked by Germany during WW2 in bloody street by street fighting?
     
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    "Go home! Go to your place and command, why did you come? You are on our land, like invaders! Guys, leave! Go home! Who are you going to shoot at? What are you, *********kers, doing?"

    Another important video. This is the city of Krasnoarmeysk, Donetsk region, 2014. Absolutely peaceful rally of Russian people,
    protesters against the coup in Kyiv are shot from machine guns by criminals from the newly formed National Guard. The rally participants did not pose any threat, they did not have weapons, they did not even try to storm the administration building. But the new masters of Ukraine needed only humility and silence. And that's why -
    aimed fire to kill. Right out the windows. Into the heads.

    And for some reason, SlavaUkrainians decided that no one remembers all this. And now spare them. No, it won't. The Russian army is still possible. Soldiers of the DPR and LPR units - never. Eight years of the most brutal occupation is too long and painful.

    Nobody is forgotten, nothing is forgotten.
     
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    You're the one who's bent out of shape, not me. :frustrated:

    Since you support the US it is you who is guilty. :crossbones:

    It is I who pities you and your inability to understand facts, truth, earnest discussion (!!!!!) and refusal to stick to the topic as it is stated in the OP. :bored:
     
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    during World War II, Germany destroyed Leningrad and Stalingrad, regardless of the presence of defense forces there.
     
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    Trump has been wrongfooted by failure of Russia to win quickly. Perhaps he is starting to wonder if fellating Daddy Vlad in front of the world's media was the right move. I mean, Daddy did stroke his hair and tell him he was a good boy, but Daddies are supposed to be strong, clever and masculine. Putin is cowering in the Kremlin, begging China for food and only appearing in front of hand picked crowds in a bulletproof vest.

    The alpha has gone full beta cuck and Donnie doesn't know where he fits in the pack structure any more.
     
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    Plenty of them are, but not the 90%+ expected. Some did the right thing and stood up immediately. Others have sniffed the wind and followed the pack - par for the course. What is notable is the overlap between Putinistas & Trumpers on PF. Not all Putinistas are Trumpers, but quite a few are. Not seeing any Biden supporters cheering Vlad.
     
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    yeah, you sometimes have sensible things to say.
     
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    Tulsi has been every GOPers favourite Dem for years. Her constituency inside the Dems started small & has decreased steadily. These two observations are not a coincidence.

    How soon people choose to forget Bush 'looking into Putin's eyes' and deciding he was fine while doing nothing as he flattened Grozny and invaded Georgia.

    Of course, no one has forgotten Donnie giving Daddy Vlad a big sloppy blow job for al lthe world to see. A US President calling on an ane,y nation to hack his opponent and then dismissing the universally held opinion of all his intelligence & security agencies in favour of the word of that nation's dictator is whatever comes after 'grovelling'. Makes Carter look tough.
     
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    Did one of your Nazi friends tell you that Jenny? You should ask your new friend about Adolf & the Jews.

    In case you missed this in al lthe propaganda, Russia invaded Ukraine and is bombing & shelling Ukranian cities. This is 100% on Russia and you know it.
     
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    Trump is motivated by ego above all else, so his focus will be on attacking Biden. He has just been talking about what he would do in this situation, childishly claiming he would have nuclear submarines patrolling along Russia's coast to pressure Russia, for instance. Based on this, he may eventually go back to praising Putin, but always framing it as an attack on Biden, i.e. comparing Putin favorably to Biden. This is what I expect to hear about eventually (since the media just can't ignore him).

    Trump will likewise use the China angle to attack Biden, faulting him for Russia and China getting so cozy. It's all about building himself up and tearing the competition / rival down with him.
     
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    I should have added to my post that Donnie is trying to work out how to deal with a situation that isn't all about him.

    But yes, you are on the money. You will notice numerous of the cult members here using the most bizarre logic to link this conflict to attacks on Biden. They too seem to be floundering with a situation where their petty political obsessions are no longer centre stage.
     
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    are you talking about Joe Biden now after he fled in disgrace from Afghanistan - the US military adventure?
     
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    At no stage did America want to make Afghanistan a part of America, some 'Little America' like
    Russia is doing with Ukraine, aka Little Russia.
    And at no stage did America want to set up a dictatorship, run by the Kremilin, the FSB Security
    Forces, Oligarchs and a President for life who somehow lives on his $125,000 salary.
    Indeed, the hope was that Afghanistan would reject Islamism, terrorism, opium production and
    learn the way of Western societies that so many of them want to go live in.
     
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    That video in question is definitely fake. That boy doesn't exist and what the woman in that clip claims never happened. Police in Bonn/Euskirchen were contacted by several media outlets and have published a statement saying it's a deliberately staged video intended to create outrage and hate. "Der für Kapitalverbrechen im Bereich Euskirchen zuständigen Polizei Bonn liegen keinerlei Informationen über einen solchen gewalttätigen Übergriff oder gar über einen Todesfall vor“ ["The Bonn police, who are responsible for capital crimes in the Euskirchen area, have no information about such a violent assault or even about a death."]
    The person behind this disinformation is called Alina Lipp (28 or 29), born in Hamburg, half-German, half-Russian, used to be a member of the Green Party in Hanover and calls herself "peace journalist". She lives mostly in Donbaz/East-Ukraine now and spreads her made up claims via short clips and messages. Putin's troll factory is busy these days.

    https://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuille...in-euskirchen-ist-frei-erfunden-17894871.html
    https://taz.de/Fake-Video-ueber-vermeintliche-Toetung/!5840206/
    https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten...m-das-ist-putins-deutsche-infokriegerin-.html
    https://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuille...ram-gruppen-von-corona-leugnern-17885654.html
     
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    ....the worry thing about that comment from Trump is that it may be something included in or told to him as part of his daily intelligence briefing...and he's blurting things out to look clever...I would guess that that is exactly what the Americans would be doing I mean it makes total sense...hopefully this boy isn't telegraphing stuff to his mates in Russia through pure stupidity
     
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    so Russia does not want to make Ukraine its part. Russia needs a safe and neutral Ukraine.
    If, as you say, Putin wanted to restore the USSR, he would start with such countries as Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Armenia...
     
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    And more than Ukraine, Putin would take the whole of Eastern Europe given half a chance.
    It's amazing that ONE MAN, and about three aids, can do this to Ukraine. And most Russians
    don't even know there's a war going on. That's so amazing.
     
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    @Poohbear you have some strange ideas about Russia. Trust your propaganda less.
     
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    Now you are being disingenuous. You were the one who claimed that the Ukrainians had committed a crime by placing weapons in urban environments. When its pointed out Russia did exactly the same thing you divert. So is it a crime or not? Should be easy to answer. Which is it? Yes or no?

    The rest of your comment? Apparently a claim that defending their cities by default justifies Russia destroying them. If that's so then Germany was 'justified ' in destroying all those Russian cities.

    You can't have it both ways (well maybe you can if you're a complete hypocrite). If what Germany did was wrong in WW2 what Russia is doing now has to be wrong. Again which is it?
     
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    Would that be Tokyo? Dresden? Coventry?
     
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    A Russian officer trying to use the, "I was only following orders" excuse?

    LINK TO REDDIT
     
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    WW2 comparisons are seldom valid - for example "US carpet bombed Germany during WW2 and no one complained ..what is wrong with carpet bombing Iraq" Leave it to you two to figure out why the above comparison is false.

    "weapons in urban environments a crime" This statement is complete nonsense - as is form of assymetric warfare - how all civil war is conducted. Yet - we hear this nonsense argument all the time by "The Pentagon" and assorted Political Pundits - in an effort to justify killing of civilians -- shelling civilian areas. Words like "Human Sheilds" and "Collatoral Damage" a form of Orwellian doublespeak.

    So indeed it is a crime fight from civilian areas - when the enemy doing it - but not a crime when the side we favor is doing it .. which of course is abject hypocrisy as pointed out.

    When it is our side .. they are "Freedom Fighters" the side we don't like they are called "Gurillas" "Terrorists" some other defamatory label.
     
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    Read one amazing story today about a Russian who was connected to the FSB security forces in Russia.
    He was also an editor of one of Russia's last free journals. He was advised for his own health to leave the
    country after his publication was shut down. How it was shut down was interesting - the media said the
    publication was closing due to the death of its editor - that very guy.
    In Western countries you can ridicule and lampoon political leaders all you like. Look how Americans made
    fun of Trump. In Russia you would get yourself killed even for called the Ukraine invasion a 'war.'
     
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    no not like this. Ukraine placed weapons in residential areas, and when these weapons began to be destroyed, the entire world community began to cry, saying that the evil Russians were bombing the cities. Be silent then.
    again not correct. In particular, Leningrad and Stalingrad, according to the plans of Germany, were to be destroyed as a symbol of communism. Anyway. Nobody wants to destroy Ukrainian cities. Russians with Ukraine can perfectly fight in the field. Ukraine knows that in the field they will not be able to resist at all, therefore they hide behind the civilian population, realizing
    that it ties the hands of Russia. The Armed Forces of Ukraine themselves have no moral principles regarding the inhabitants of eastern Ukraine. Nationalists destroy infrastructure without hesitation.
     
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