Russia Declares War on Ukraine<<MOD WARNING>>

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  1. Jack Hays

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    Iran is not a "real" nemesis, whatever that means. And to call Bernard Lewis a neocon is a startling anachronism. Iran is the heritor of the great Persian civilization, which indeed has as much right as any to be called timeless. IMHO Iran's animus toward the US stems not from anything Persian, but from the millenarian brand of Islam now dominant in the country. Ironically, it was Bernard Lewis who identified the problem long ago.
    The Roots of Muslim Rage
    https://pages.pomona.edu › ~vis04747 › readings

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    I think this comment is very telling...

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    But the war has forcibly drawn attention to the human dimension. For example, most modern militaries rely on a strong cadre of non-commissioned officers. Sergeants make sure that vehicles are maintained and exercise leadership in squad tactics. The Russian NCO corps is today, as it has always been, both weak and corrupt. And without capable NCOs, even large numbers of technologically sophisticated vehicles deployed according to a compelling doctrine will end up broken or abandoned, and troops will succumb to ambushes or break under fire.
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    That's just so absolutely spot on

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    If Russia is engaging in cyberwar, that is not particularly evident. Russia’s electronic-warfare units have not shut down Ukrainian communications. Half a dozen generals have gotten themselves killed either by poor signal security or trying desperately to unstick things on the front lines.
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    Again spot on!! There is no reason for these ranking officers to be anywhere near forward positions unless things are going to shyte...

    Good article thanks for posting!!
     
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    Or, their humanity. As long as our oppressors/abusers don't break our spirits, they have NOT won. Living well and strong is the best revenge.

    https://indianexpress.com/article/t...sian-soldier-help-him-call-back-home-7799524/

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    The the weaknesses of the Russian army were exposed the last time we beat them, in Afghanistan.
    https://www.spytalk.co/p/russian-ar...o?r=2hta&s=w&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

    ". . . “Their equipment sucked,” says Milton Bearden, CIA station chief in Pakistan during the most vigorous chapters of the agency’s proxy war against Soviet forces in Afghanistan in the mid-to-late 1980s.

    The Red Army’s medical kits included glass bottles that might have been holdovers from World War Two, Bearden told SpyTalk, instead of the plastic vials in use by American and other contemporary military services. Kits captured by the Afghan guerrillas “were bags of broken glass and liquid,” he said. “They could get a rocket going, but they couldn't make a ballpoint pen. That little ball bearing at the end of the pen? They couldn’t make those.”. . . "
     
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    Training another generation for jihad. :roll:

    What could possibly go wrong?
     
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    Area of Ukraine without Nazis:



    Area with Nazis:

     
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    Oh, the "heart problem" excuse. Yeah, Put-put stopped his heart probably.

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    Another Putin "victory" is the strengthening of NATO.
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    NATO to OK 'major increases' of troops
     
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    if his family are also under arrest then the old fallback of "wanting to spend more time with his family" might actually be true....:D
     
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    Yeah, yeah, yeah.....nazis, nazis, nazis.....yawn...more nazis with swastiks...and jackboots...eating poor Russian children...and and and....who gives a crap...doesn't that get boring posting the same chant over and over and over again...don't you get bored with it?
     
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    LOL - They had lousy comms in Georgia, too.

    Between that and their laughingstock logistics it's clear the idiots in the Kremlin didn't learn jack from that war, much less do anything to rectify the army's shortcomings over the past 14 years.

    PS. Speaking of the Russian army's crappy logistics, I've heard several reports that they're down to about three days of food and ammo for their grunts out in the field. What are they going to do - hurl sticks and taunts at the Ukrainians?

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    Do you get tired trying to make believe that Ukraine doesn't have a Nazi problem? They just erect statues of them, give them holidays, name streets after them, incorporate them into their military and have a political party made up of them. Just for starters.
     
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    Ah yes. The whines and howls of defeat. Pleas for mercy will come next.
     
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    Paid trolls can be spotted by observing them pushing the same arguments that were debunked on the same thread just a few pages ago.
    Normal independent human beings learn and adjust. Trolls can’t do that because they aren’t paid to think.
     
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    What nazi statues are present in Ukraine?
     
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    Texas has a bigger Nazi problem than Ukraine does.

    Ukraine just has a little naZi problem, but they're dealing with it pretty well.
     
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    Good luck with that.

    Russians control damn near half of Ukraine. At this point, they've used about as many bombs as the US dropped on Iraq in the first 24 hours.

    Your hero Zelensky hasn't been in the country for 7 days.
     
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    Iran is not what you imagine. Similar labels (e.g. Muslim) don't imply similar things. I can explain all that later, but the simple stuff first, namely Bernard Lewis and the neocons:
    https://www.thenews.com.pk/tns/detail/565591-icon-neocons
    An icon of the neocons
    Remembering historian Bernard Lewis

    As for the roots of the issues between Iran and the US, you are wrong. That is a totally alien, westernized notion of Persian culture juxtaposed against something thoroughly transformed to be Persian (or, in the words of Bernard Lewis himself in other works, to become "Iranian Islam").

    The real root of the issue is as old as written history, in the division that arose between a nascent West in ancient Greece versus the mantle holder for the East, the Persian empire. This aspect touches on subjects so unfamiliar even to a well educated (mis-educated) westerner, that it would be hopeless to try to explain. But the explanation below born of this division is clear cut, mainstream history. Even Bernard Lewis would accept its points:

    That root is found manifesting itself in Iran's rejection of any culture or civilization that threatened Iran's distinct separate identity and claim on the basis for true legitimate authority over Iran. in nearly 8 centuries of warfare with Rome, in rejection of Arabism when becoming an Arab was in vogue (as in vogue as becoming a westerner is today), in the transformation of (in the words of Bernard Lewis here) of Arab Islam to "Iranian Islam" as the mainstream religion of even the Iranicized Abassid caliphate or the Persianate sunni Ottoman and Mugul empires that fought Iran (with Iran itself having rallied to the Shia banner for similar impulses, namely to secure its separate realm and notions of legitimacy under the Safavids (1501-1725); it is found in the most astonishing conversion of the Mongols (who had once pillaged and massacred any signs of Persian civilization) to become, in a century or so after the Mongol conquest, the mantle bearers of Iranian patriotism and Persian culture during the Ilkhanid of Iranzamin; down to the rejection of Westernization (not progress or modernity) and the implicit yoke of American hegemony by the Shah (a leader who ironically fanned the flames of Iranian nationalism, but like everything else about him, in copy-cat fashion).
     
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    In my experience, conspiracy theorists do not learn. They hold firm beliefs that can never be shaken, no matter the facts presented to them. They'll slink away in defeat if you hit them hard enough with truth bombs, but they'll come back again soon, spouting the same debunked nonsense, just as you see here. I figure they crawl off to take in more lies from their favorite sources to recover and recompose themselves, then they get back out there.
     
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    The Minitrue is not a reliable source of information, you know.
     
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    Still can’t take any large city except for Kherson. It’s been almost a month.
    What half of Ukraine? Those conscripts are sitting in the middle of Ukrainian fields without food and fuel, waiting for Ukrainian partisans to eventually kill them.
    :lol:
     
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