Russia, friend or foe?

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  1. APACHERAT

    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Is this all from another leak ?

    I'm going to wait for Friday before responding.

    Attorney General Sessions just announced that he's going to be responding about the leaks and who some of the leakers are who will be going to prison.
     
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    Resorting to personal attacks now? IMO your posts are the silly ones--so where does that get you?

    You find what I confront you on silly because you have been, IMO, thoroughly brainwashed--and possibly did the same to your own students in previous years. Disgusting,in a democracy.
     
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    How can something totally lacking in substance be proven wrong? Opinions are opinions. In your case, the problem seems to be that you can't tell the difference between facts and opinions, and you actually believe your "conclusions" are factual. They are opinions you have been skillfully led to by a corrupt media that works for the well being of people that profit from warfare and the misery of others.

    Read up on how Monsanto has been bankrupting farmers in India, and of their interest in taking over the rich croplands of the Ukraine and destroying it with their poisons. Read about the "death genes" developed to make future seed crops infertile. There are some real facts for you. If Russia prevents a corporation like that from taking over a rich bread basket area, it will actually be doing a good thing.
     
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    In other words, you can't challenge a single statement I have made. We are in agreement.

    BTW, I never said my conclusions are factual. I said my facts are factual. You can't even tell me what your questioning.
     
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    Yes, and the significance is, this came from someone very close to Trump. This conversation took place on Air Force one.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am amused you rely on the Washington Post. What does Huffington Post say, which is clearly another shill for Democrats?
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You claim almost 30 days back. Do you deny what the Russian woman said when she agreed her topic were adoptions?
    http://www.businessinsider.com/nata...er-called-liberalism-a-mental-disorder-2017-7

     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    OKay, I will bite, What seat were you assigned to?
     
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    Has to be Steve Bannon.

    It was a slow news day at Breitbart News when the leak took place. :smile:
     
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    I haven't found any substance yet that is worth the effort.
     
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    Robert, did the Post get the story wrong? If the story is true, and it is, verified by every major network including Fox, what difference does it make who wrote it?
     
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    Wait, I thought Fox was all lies? What side are you on?
     
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    That is as good a guess as any.

    I'm wondering how long Sarah Huckabee Sanders is going to last. Her comment about Trump weighing in might not be what Trump wanted her to say, although I noticed she looked down at her notes when she said it as if she was reading a statement.

    On the other hand, she has a real tough job. Covering for Trump is fraught with landmines. She might just quit. A number of Trump associates have, including the previous press secretary.
     
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    I watch Fox, CNN, and ABC. I like to get a variety of views. No, I do not watch pro-Trump programs like The Five, Pirro, and Hannity. They make me sick to my stomach.
     
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    When Trump signed off on the Russian sanctions bill, he claimed he signed it for the unity of the nation despite his reservations about the bill . That is a bunch of crock. He was forced to sign it because in a very rare bipartisan move it passed Congress by veto-proof margins. Vetoing the bill or letting it linger on his desk for another five days would have been a political disaster for him. Unity of the nation was simply another one of his lies.

    Then there is the matter of his signing statements. In them he harshly criticized the bill he was signing. Russia retaliated by sending home 755 American diplomatic officials. Trump hasn't said a word about that.

    So, he is critical of a bill passed by the U.S. Congress punishing Russia for her aggression and interference in our election, but he doesn't say a word when Russia sends home the Americans.
     
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    Everyone in the Trump White House and the Trump administration has a really tough job considering all of the hate, obstructionism and sedition they are facing.
     
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    I don't watch any. I browse google news and look at local news. CNN, MSNBC, FOX, ABC, and NBC all have agendas.
     
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    This is surreal. The President of the United States blamed Congress, which is controlled by his own party, for the bad relations with Russia. This is very difficult to believe.

    Trump tweeted early Thursday, "Our relationship with Russia is at an all-time & very dangerous low." He adds: "You can thank Congress, the same people that can't even give us HCare!"

    Republicans sharply disagreed with Trump. Many blame Russian President Vladimir Putin for the growing tensions.

    Maine Sen. Susan Collins cites Russia's actions in Ukraine and Syria and its suspected interference in the presidential election. North Carolina Sen. Thom Tillis says relations with Russia are bad "because they've done bad things."

    And Alabama Sen. Richard Shelby says the two nations' relationship began deteriorating with the Russian Revolution of 1917, which led to Communist rule. Shelby says, "I don't see how it's Congress' fault."

    Sen. Tom Cotton, R-Ark., a supporter of both Trump and the sanctions bill, said responsibility for poor U.S.-Russia relations rests with President Vladimir Putin. He cited Russia's attempts to interfere in last year's election through a campaign of cyberattacks and fake news as well as its threats to neighboring countries.

    Trump continues to isolate himself from his own party.
     
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    You are right. Trump is surrounded by that hate in the White House. The W.H. leaks like a sieve. That means there are a number of people on his staff that A) Disagree with him; B) Dislike him; or C) Both.

    That leak on Air Force One is really significant. Someone very close to Trump falls into one of those three categories.

    And, of course, there is more.
     
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    Of course they do, but they will all keep you updated on what is happening in the world. The three I watch, CNN, ABC, and Fox balance each other out and I stay informed. ABC makes every attempt to be impartial. Give their national news a try.

    It's only a guess, but I suspect a lot of Trump fans have the same habits you do.
     
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    Have you heard the old adage "keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer."
     
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    Yeah.

    It's complicated.

    The whole idea that a powerful nation state is a "friend" or "foe" seems a bit naive; Russia's oligarchs do what they feel is in their best interest, just as our oligarchs do.

    It's like asking if Obama or Trump is your "friend" or "foe" - these dudes just want your vote, and will say whatever it takes to get that. Otherwise, you can die bleeding in the gutter, no problem.
     
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    The leakers are felons. The motive seems to be to engineer a coup. Treason.
     
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    I hate to keep getting technical but they are not a felon until they are prosecuted and convicted. You can say they are committing a felony and you might be accurate, but they are not felons until convicted.
     
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    I too hate to have to get technical, but Merriam-Webster states that a felon is "one who has committed a felony". A person who leaks information has committed a felony. That is true whether the leaker has been prosecuted/convicted or not. So Ddyad is absolutely correct: leakers are felons.
     
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