Russia, friend or foe?

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  1. Ddyad

    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    That is a standard for a seated jury. The rest of us can state the obvious. The crimes have occurred. The leakers are felons.

    “In the spectrum of crimes involving the leaking of classified information, publicly revealing the contents of SIGINT — signals intelligence — is one of the most serious felonies. Journalists (and all other nongovernmental citizens) can be prosecuted under federal law for disclosing classified information only under the narrowest circumstances; reflecting how serious SIGINT is considered to be, one of those circumstances includes leaking the contents of intercepted communications, as defined this way by 18 § 798 of the U.S. Code:

    Whoever knowingly and willfully communicates … or otherwise makes available to an unauthorized person, or publishes … any classified information … obtained by the processes of communication intelligence from the communications of any foreign government … shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.”, THE INTERCEPT, The Leakers Who Exposed Gen. Flynn’s Lie Committed Serious — and Wholly Justified — Felonies, By, Glenn Greenwald, February 14 2017.
    https://theintercept.com/2017/02/14...mitted-serious-and-wholly-justified-felonies/
     
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    Yes, they are felons, and if the leaks are part of a scheme to overthrow our elected government they are also traitors.
     
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    MSM sources are all credible - when they report against their bias and interests.
     
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    ABC impartial? They almost fired David Muir because of his incredible left wing bias! I suppose you think MSNBC is also "trying their best to be impartial"? Give me a break
     
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    CNN is my favorite MSM/Fake News source now. ;-)
     
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    Where you are guaranteed the truth :)
     
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    Yes, CNN telsl the truth whenever they think it is politically expedient for the entrenched corrupt bipartisan political class the MSM represents.

    Does not happen often, but when they do it is always special. ;-)
     
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    Piers Morgan is a prime example. Sorry, *was.
     
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    LOL! Yes, he was. :)
     
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    I do agree, they are committing a crime but I hesitate to call them felons until they are convicted, must be my police background. These are heinous crimes and should be investigated and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
     
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    Yes, I have. Your point?
     
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    Your source?

    I said ABC tries to be impartial. I didn't say they were. Every network is biased, some more than others.

    What does MSNBC have to do with anything? Perhaps you watch that network. As you know, I don't.
     
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    That makes for a very awkward thread title. I like my title a lot better.

    When I write a thread title, I make an assumption. The reader will have a certain level of intelligence and doesn't expect the title to be the whole story. Most of the time I'm right with that assumption.

    Other times, I am not.
     
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    Let them think we are friends so we can keep an eye on them.
     
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    The crimes have clearly been committed, it is not clear who is committing them. The juries hearing the evidence in any criminal case have a duty to start with a presumption that defendants are innocent. The rest of us are free to form or own conclusion and express them.

    Note that Trump haters have concluded that he is guilty of treason - they have every right to do that. They do not have the ability to convict him of anything.

    The leakers are clearly felons. Those involved in a scheme to stage a political coup are traitors, but only a trial jury can convict them.
     
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    Trump haters try their damnedest to convict him in the court of public opinion.
     
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    Trump's opposition has now embraced the Medvedev/Putin position regarding Trump. Just a coincidence?
     
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    If I knew anything about that position I am sure I would have an opinion but I am not familiar with it.
     
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    Google it. Medvedev's statement on Trump could have been copied from the posts of the anti-Trumpers on this forum.
     
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    Most have been mislead by alt.left Fake News sources.

    “The Trump era has given rise to a vast alternative left-wing media infrastructure that operates largely out of the view of casual news consumers, but commands a massive audience and growing influence in liberal America. There are polemical podcasters and partisan click farms; wild-eyed conspiracists and cynical fabulists. Some traffic heavily in rumor and wage campaigns of misinformation; others are merely aggregators and commentators who have carved out a corner of the web for themselves. But taken together, they form a media universe where partisan hysteria is too easily stoked, and fake news can travel at the speed of light.”
    THE ATLANTIC, How the Left Lost Its Mind, Polemicists, conspiracists, and outright fabulists are feeding an alternative media landscape—where the implausibility of a claim is no bar to its acceptance. MCKAY COPPINS JUL 2, 2017.
    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/07/liberal-fever-swamps/530736/

    They have been turned into a lynch mob.
     
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    I don't know, from what I read they were stating that Trump is no puppet and were angry about the new sanctions. The anti-Trumpers were saying the complete opposite and Trump was i the pocket of Putin.
     
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    Paste up the Medvedev statement. Read the reactions on this thread. "Medvedev nailed it" stands out.
     
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    Well he did state he believed Trump to be weak and so do the Trump haters. I am definitely not a Trump hater I am a Trump supporter.
     
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    Yeah, right. Putin thinks Trump is a friend. Actually, Putin thinks Trump is an idiot. That's why Putin wanted Trump to be our next President. Millions of Trump's fans complied.
     
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    I have not heard that. Please provide a source for that statement.

    I am unaware of any political coup plans. I know that the special prosecutor has called grand juries to look into the activities of Mike Flynn, the June 2016 meeting between Donald Trump, Jr., and representatives of the Russian government, and Trump's finances. I am aware of four investigations by the Republican-controlled Congress into Trump's activities.

    I am also aware that Trump's fans detest the leakers for revealing the truth about the Trump administration.

    But I am unaware of coup plans. Please site your source for such plans.
     

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