Russia is the most aggressive country

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    Russia is the most aggressive country


    Following the Second World War, Russia is the only country that has seized foreign territories and even the whole state. Neither the United States, nor the United Kingdom, nor Canada, as a winner country, unlike Russia, did not acquire a meter of foreign land, but Russia seized vast territories:

    - 10% of the territory of Finland, and this is almost the territory of Switzerland,

    - annexed part of Germany (East Prussia),

    - three states Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia joined the USSR,

    - the huge territories of Poland were torn away in favor of the USSR,

    - annexed part of Romania (Bessarabia),

    - Tyva was annexed (in 1944),

    - part of the territory of Japan (Southern Sakhalin with the Kuril Islands) has been annexed.


    It should be noted that these territorial acquisitions of Moscow lie on the conscience of the American President Roosevelt, who completely trusted Uncle Joe, in spite of Churchill's warnings. But America had a colossal opportunity to stop the insatiability of Stalin. I am sure that if it were not for America, and the Russians had the first to have an atomic bomb, they would not fail to take advantage of this circumstance, and the world would be different today.


    At the end of the 20th century, before the collapse of the Evil Empire, when its economy was already breathing deeply, Moscow attempted to seize another country - Afghanistan. However, this time the Russians ran into a people that belonged to their freedom, as to a shrine and, despite their enormous superiority, the Russians suffered a shameful defeat (1).

    But what is surprising is that even after the partial collapse of the empire, Russia has not lost its predatory nature, which is well illustrated by the attack on Georgia and Ukraine. And again, through the fault of America, which did not take advantage of the situation to complete the disintegration of the evil Empire, the West today has problems with its revanchism. Not understanding President Bush Jr., what is Russia and the Russian people (2) with its imperial worldview in a compartment with Great Russian chauvinism (3), allowed Putin's "friend" to pour in Chechnya blood and suppress the shoots of Yeltsin's democracy. And Obama, too intelligent for this case, slipped Russia's attack on Ukraine, although it was clear on all grounds that Ukraine could not avoid military aggression from Russia. In the article Whose Crimea (4) I predicted in 2006 the inevitability of the implementation of the Kremlin's military plans for Ukraine. Moreover, two months before Russia's invasion of Crimea, in an article (5) I wrote that it will take place after the Winter Olympics in Sochi. Obama not only did not dare to contradict Putin's tricks, although America on the Budapest Memorandum was the guarantor of Ukraine's security, but also refused to help Ukraine in arming.

    The West does not want to take seriously the revanchist aspirations of Putin, as it once let Hitler revanchism, which in the end could lead to a big war, for Putin will not definitely stop in Ukraine.


    1.Chechnya, and the road to power, or the revival of the empire by Putin. Http://alikbahshi.livejournal.com/?skip=100#post-alikbahshi-2151

    2. Folk fate, or each cricket has its own pole. Http://alikbahshi.livejournal.com/?skip=100#post-alikbahshi-4732

    3. Great Russian chauvinism and Putin is his Fuhrer. Http://alikbahshi.livejournal.com/#post-alikbahshi-21133

    4. Whose Crimea. Http://alikbahshi.livejournal.com/?skip=100#post-alikbahshi-4030

    5. Ukraine as a victim of the immorality of the West in relation to Ukraine. Http://alikbahshi.livejournal.com/#post-alikbahshi-20891


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    False claim, rejected. Soviet Union did that, not RSFSR. Union was not a solid unitary state, it was structurally different from RSFSR alone, as well as it is different from Russian Federation.
    I despise that attempt to - once again - blame actions of Soviet Union on citizens of Russian Federation, especially the political decidions of period when country was de facto ruled by Joseph Stalin, many actions of whom been later recognized as crimes by Soviet Union's government, years prior to it's dissolution.

    'Evil Empire' is a deragotory slur, insulting living ex-citizens of Soviet Union, and especially bad considering that it was used for years by anti-soviet propaganda - and marks passed epoch of mutual distrust and hatred, that almost resulted in a nuclear war.

    Events in Georgia are settled, and Russian Federation been proven not being the agressor in conflict between government of Georgia and ethnic minority of ossetins living on territory of South Ossetia.

    Events in Ukraine are still debated, but de facto there is no solid proof of military presence of RF in Lugansk or Donetsk, and results of referendum in Crimean Republic has been proven true so far.
     
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    Furthermore, I say - people have right to make choises, their choises. Not choises made by Roosevelt, or Obama, or Trump, or Putin. People have right for such referendums, and should be protected by government, not assaulted. Military presence of RF in Crimea resulted in peaceful transition, while military presence of Ukraine in Lugansk and Donetsk resulted in them turning into a war zone.

    Ukraine rejected rights of crimean tatars, and recognized Mejlis only after the referendum - four days after the referendum - that proclaimed Crimea an autonomous republic in Russian Federation. Government of Ukraine openly uses crimean tatars as a cannon fodder, dissidents - thugs, of service of Kiev. They do not care about tatars, and never cared about them before. They care about their delusional vision of uni-national state of Ukraine - where only ukrainians live. Not poles, not hungarians, not russians, not tatars - but ukrainians. That speak Ukrainian, think in it, and identify themselves as ukrainians only. That effort had to backfire eventually, and it did. People, who been going to protests before - grew up, and tired of peaceful protests. Now we have an armed lunatics instead - pretty much on both sides. But again, as RF approves actions of separatists - Ukraine did nothing to stop nationalists blocking coal support to Ukraine itself. Poroshenko and his office are negligent, and do much more damage to Ukraine than Putin ever will - they kill the state, they ruin the unity that Ukraine's citizens strived to achieve.

    Russian Federation is much bigger than Putin, and will move over him. And it will keep going on - and it will be the country, protecting people born in Soviet Union and harassed by regimes of newly reformed sovereign states - when these regimes cross the line and turn patriotism into nationalosm. If people of various cultures and languages can live together in RF - same should be true for rest of post-soviet states.

    And soviet past is common for them all, all together they went through it, all together went through war and famine, and should be together building new future - in Federation or not, but together. Without that sick, ill hatred getting poured in their brains by various politicians.
     
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    Statements like that don't change the world. Not statements like that created United Nations. Not statements like that created globally recognized human rights. Not statements like that move world forward.
     
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    I don't get it. I remember when Clinton and Yeltsin were big drinking buddies in the 90's. Why can't Democrats get along with Russians today?

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    Well, there is a one thing - you may have overlooked. There is always some thing overlooked, and this time it may be particularily easy to spot. It is in plain sight, everyone can see it, it's like a tree. A beautyful tree that grows in the courtyard, that everyone looks at, never bothering to think WHAT that tree may do. Everybody loves trees. They give shade, pretty sight and produce oxygen.

    So the tree stands, it grows, generations pass - time goes on, people go on - and tree keeps growing. This is the problem with such a timeless things - we get used to them. They grow beyond our perception. They become virtually invisible.

    Until the problems hit. What happens to a tree, that grows for far too long too close to people's house? Nothing - things start happening not to tree, to it's surroundings. Branches start covering the sun from windows, they bash at windowglass during the storms, inside the tree parasites start living, and the roots grow so big, so thick - they start deforming ground. It's like an explosion in extreme slow motion - you barely notice it happening, but result the same - pressure builds, until roads and floors start cracking and popping open like cookies, revealing dirt and the root under it.

    And then - only then - people realize what a problem they face. Roots already under the house, the tree itself is thick as coumn, branches are so long and heavy... And so either people - or three - must go. Must get disposed of.

    ...for sixty eight years existed the NATO alliance. Sixty eight years - generations of people lived with it. People who created it - who signed the North Atlantic Treaty in fourth day of April in 1949 in Washington have passed away - people, who created this initiative, are no more. No more the people, who been the cause of that treaty existing. No more the state that alliance opposed.

    But alliance remains. It is large, it has been present for so long that people forgot that it has not been there once. It grew beyond perception - became virtually invisible. Until the countries, messed up by it, threatened by it, now starting to be revealed what they are - states, threatened by a large military alliance - existing on verge of conquest from it - and trying to either side with it, or oppose it.

    An army without an enemy. A measure without the cause. A project, that has no reason to exist.

    When it expanded in March of 1999, it became clear it is not going to be dissoluted, like was dissoluted Soviet Union. The army, that had no enemy, was here to stay. In 2004 it acquired states neighbouring Russian Federation in Baltic region, and two more states that can serve as naval bases for NATO in Black sea.

    It became a problem. It became a threat - to the global peace, to human rights, to unity that we - humans - try to achieve. A border, dividing world in one side and another, a pointless army, a reasonless alliance - against the country that does not exists for twenty six years.


    ...personally - I think it's hell of a tree.
     
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    To this list it is necessary to add German territory, which was given to Poland. (The Germans were resettled).

    The Polish city of Vilna, which was given to Lithuania.

    The German city of Memel, which was given to Lithuania.
     
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    Because the Russians and democracy are nonsense. The Russian mentality does not perceive democracy.
     
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    For the security services of any country to thrive and prosper they have to invent a long-term 'bad guy' a la 1984, to keep the masses to heel the easier to control and manipulate, and these days it happens to be Russia.
     
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    ...and here we go again, a fresh portion of ********* in the morning. Go procreate with yourself, hun, and watch me turning my country great.
     
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    Russia is the second after the United States
     
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    Afghanistan was already communist when Russia invaded. Remember that the monarchy was overthrown in the mid 1970s.
     
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    What is typical for a Russian opponent is the rudeness, when there are no arguments for refutation.
     
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    A very good point, and proof, if proof were needed, of the Establishment's vindictive determination to destroy The Donald.
     
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    Who are you, Ninian?
     
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    So, you think you can insult mentality of my whole nation - and do not trigger rudeness? That is either naive, or an attempt to look like a victim after making an offence.
     
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    Good question. I am not sure which parts of my life matter enough to add them to the answer, I guess I can start with saying I am 26 years old russian living in Zelenograd administrative district of Moskva (aka Moscow in English tradition), who relatively well speaks - well, writes - in English and found the way to this forum. And also for most of my life I had same nightmare - a nuclear bomb exploding outside my windows, always in same direction, in direction of the capital's center, with explosion for ten or so seconds rolling to me. Last time I had that nightmare I asked other person in room to pass me sandwich since it's a nightmare anyway.
     
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    I come out of the facts in my conclusions. If you can refute my conclusions, then do it. However, instead you are rude, which excludes any conversation with you. So excuse me. But I repeat, your case is very typical for Russians in the debate. I'll try to post a topic about the behavior of Russians in the forums when Russia is told the truth.
     
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    What 'facts'? You - out of blue - said, I quote:
    That is an insult on national basis, where you out of nowhere made a statement about mentality of a whole nation. Of my nation - and you got that statement called by it's correct name - a bullshit - and got directed where any person insulting my nation should go. Do not like it - way from that planet is above. I heard there is no Russia and no internet on the Mars, for example, and that people seek volunteers for it's cononization.

    By the way, you repeat same thing, and can go in same direction once again, pretty please. I'm sure it'll do you more good than trying to amass more reasons to be despised.
     
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    you have to learn history
     
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    by your definition UK would be by far the most evil and agressive Empire to live today
    1/4 of the planet occupied at some point is alot from a tiny island
     
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    Yes, in the past there were many empires, the Roman, the Arab Caliphate, the Mongolian, the Ottoman, the British Empire was, but the topic is the modern world, or rather the post-war one. I wrote at the beginning of the article, please be more attentive. Thank you.
     
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    After the war, 60 years passed. What you wrote is the last century.
    Now the most aggressive country is the United States.
     
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    Every Superpower in history has been aggressive. USA is the most aggressive state since WWII.
     
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    I have lived in USA most of my life, but USA is more deserving of the title "Evil Empire". Many people dislike USA because of US foreign policy, but I am mostly concerned with US internal policy. For instance disabled people in USA get very little assistance -- that is from my long experience.
     

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