Russia is winning the economic war - and Putin is no closer to withdrawing troops

And we lost everytime we invaded. Everytime. The last one set us back 20 years. We were just now catching back up to where we were before the Iraq invasion.
Why didn't Russia learn from our mistakes? We demonized Bush, they are praising Putin.

Russia doesn't have our wealth or influence. They may not survive this.

 

The massive difference is if the truth comes out on the internet, then the truth is out. Then American media has to address the truth and they sometimes do. In Russia, the internet and media is completely suppressed. Thus, the misinformation is never debunked.

 

The quote was from Bill Casey of the CIA in 1981. He spoke the truth for once.

My larger point was that western media has been owned (figuratively) by the CIA since Operation Mockingbird in the 50's. The idea that our media is honest and true and the Russian media is not is a crock of manure.

 

The truth comes out on the internet?

Is that way all dissenting doctors and nurses from the Official Covid Narrative were censored, deplatformed and had their licenses revoked?

 

Most of this so called government censorship was done by extremist left wingers and their media platforms. No government officials were telling them what to say.

 

Nope, that's just 100 percent false.
Media chases the dollar here, simple as that. Youtubers even have their own coverage of events. Youtube doesn't cancel them for the government, they cancel them for the lost ad revenue.

 

That's not really true. Jen Psaki spoke from the podium that the government urged media platforms to censor statements that do not comport with Official Government Narratives, from Covid to Ukraine and beyond. This is a manifestation of fascism, and several POTUS have practiced that way.

Just as AT&Treason did Dubya's dirty work with emails and other internet things back in 2002, Twitter and Google and the rest do the government's bidding today. Sad but true

 

You have no clue as to what Operation Mockingbird did in the 50's.

 

Jen Paski also promoted violence and misinformation herself to further the extremist left wing agenda. That is like the pot calling the kettle black!

It is a fair point that the Right wing media does the exact same thing.

 

I can find out, what's the relevance today since anyone involved is most likely dead, or irrelevant themselves.

 

Yes, the pot calling the kettle black is how politicians do things.

 

Operation Mockingbird was a CIA operation from the 50's. That placed CIA operatives in the mainstream media.

It's still in practice. Not just the media, but Hollywood too.

 

That's just false it's not still in practice even if it was, what's the influence? They would have none. But I'm sure you have some sort of proof?
The Tuskegee experiments were a thing too, they still going on?

No one here is scared of the CIA, which only has authority overseas.

 

Proof does not matter to one in denial Vernan.

 

You spreading false allegations does not mean I'm in Denial.
What proof convenced you, we would like to see.

 

If Russian media was 'honest' criticism of government policy and Putin would be readily accessible. Its not, try it and see. In contrast the last time I checked its almost impossible not to find criticism of US government policy and/or Biden, same as was the case for the previous President and every one before that.

And if your going to quote someone acknowledge the reference and provide context. Because what you posted is literally not what you meant. The rest? A 1950's conspiracy theory, really? That's the best you can do? Because just to remind you Stalin was ruling Russia then. But I assume you think things were just peachy in Russia under old Joseph.

 

This subject matter is more than you want to understand. Don't worry, be happy!

 

Considering the actions of the US government during these last 50 years, any criticism of its belligerent ways is completely justified.

Newly Declassified Govt Docs Reveal Operation Mockingbird is Alive and Well (thefreethoughtproject.com)

Full disclosure for me: I learned while in the Army in 1970 that the CIA Airbranch was involved in drug smuggling in southeast Asia. Some years later with Hasenfus and Air America (and others) it became apparent the Agency was still in the business, and the end result of Gary Webb's investigations showed they were still in the business.

That is insight, if you're able to perceive it, regarding how the Agency works.

 

I don't get it..How is it more than I want to understand if im intrested in your nonanecdotal evidance? I'm sure we have International undercover DEA teams working out there with the CIA, but that's a far fetch from your allegations.

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/jpmorgan-sees-stratospheric-380-oil-195936627.html

About the children of the West trying to 'fix' Russian oil prices:

Global oil prices could reach a “stratospheric” $380 a barrel if US and European penalties prompt Russia to inflict retaliatory crude-output cuts, JPMorgan Chase & Co. analysts warned.

The Group of Seven nations are hammering out a complicated mechanism to cap the price fetched by Russian oil in a bid to tighten the screws on Vladimir Putin’s war machine in Ukraine. But given Moscow’s robust fiscal position, the nation can afford to slash daily crude production by 5 million barrels without excessively damaging the economy, JPMorgan analysts including Natasha Kaneva wrote in a note to clients.

For much of the rest of the world, however, the results could be disastrous. A 3 million-barrel cut to daily supplies would push benchmark London crude prices to $190, while the worst-case scenario of 5 million could mean “stratospheric” $380 crude, the analysts wrote.

“The most obvious and likely risk with a price cap is that Russia might chose not to participate and instead retaliate by reducing exports,” the analysts wrote. “It is likely that the government could retaliate by cutting output as a way to inflict pain on the West. The tightness of the global oil market is on Russia’s side.”

 

It is clear the west is led by dangerously incompetent leaders.

Greedy and belligerent leaders....

 

Lets agree on one thing -- That only a moron does not think conspiracies exist

"Not impossible to find criticism of US Gov't Policy" How does that negate the fact that the US press is neither fair not free .. .. that the MSM is a propaganda shill for the powers at be .. State Sponsored Propaganda.

You seriously that out of the loop mate ... didn't get any of hundreds of memos -- or is it that you do not know what a free press looks like .. and have no idea what State Sponsored propaganda as your comments suggest

 

Oh, I know conspiracies exist. After all I've actually investigated and prosecuted a few in my time. I'm just not stupid enough to believe they exist simply because someone says they do. I want to see evidence. So go ahead and prove the conspiracy in question was real. That or shut up about it.

It's freer and fairer than Russian media, if only because it's more competitive. Although I agree Russian press freedom sets a low bar to compete against. Kind of like claiming to be taller than Vladimir Putin. Who isn't?

I know what a (relatively) fee press looks like because I can access virtually any media outlook I care to across the globe. (Try doing that in Russia). And just to remind the simple in the audience (hint; look in a mirror) a 'free' press is not defined as outlets that exclusively tell you want you want to here or which parrot ideas you want to believe are true. So, that said I suggest you crawl back in your little pro-Moscow bubble and leave reasoned debate to the grown ups.

 

Xi, Moduro, Putin, Kim and the Castros are not 'West'

 

no one ever thought Putin would back down, but we do not have to make it easy on him, make him think long and hard about doing it again

Russian propagandist will try hard to convince people to make it easier on him though