Russia: More US Diplomats Have To Leave Moscow Next Year.

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  1. Dayton3

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    Which one?
     
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    There are two Ukraines. The Western part which celebrates Bandera's birthday for helping them kill off the Poles in WWII and grab their land, and the rest of Ukraine. It's these nationalist banderites who are being trained by the Americans, since they are the only ones trusted by the fascist junta in Kiev.

    The other Ukrainians have no allegiance to a government which doesn't represent them, so they were being used on the front lines with only 2 weeks training as cannon fodder.


    At Debaltsevo, the Donbas militia had trapped the Ukrainian army in a cauldron. Before it closed completely, orders were given for the officers to leave, but not to tell the men.

    One officer did remain behind, and when he was told by the Donbas militia that the men were free to go, providing they leave all their heavy vehicles behind. The officer asked headquarters what to do and was told to leave with his men in light vehicles, and have the rest of the troops follow him in the heavier ones. Needless to say the heavy vehicles and men were blown up.

    Out of 6 thousand men, 3 thousand died. The ones that did survive said that most of the men died in friendly fire since they didn't know how to man the guns.

    You say you went to West Point, would you treat your troops this way? I find it totally evil.
     
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    Yeah,,, sounds as bad as Biden in Afghanistan. When was this "cannon fodder" event?
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If Russia invades, which it will unless there an ironclad agreement with Biden over Russia's demands, if won't be Russia's first encounter with American troops. There have been encounters in Syria.
     
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    Very minor... and Special Forces... small specialized units. A Brigade Combat Team has the power of a not so far long ago division. You're talking a spat versus a war. You don't know a lot about the military or how it works. Stick to what you know... gay rights and transgender issues.
     
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    From what I read only the nationalist troops that backed the junta were being trained and given armor to protect themselves and if the conscripts wanted armor, they had to pay for it themselves.

    I know that the Ukrainian army suffered 3 defeats. According to the blogger The Vineyard of the Saker, the first time was when the army was trapped and given an ultimatum with certain demands. Instead of a response though to the demands, an airliner was shot down and in the commotion, they were able to free themselves.

    The next time Ukraine attacked, their army was trapped again and Putin stopped the militias from advancing further into Ukraine by closing the Russian border, and so they went to Minsk for a peace treaty.

    As soon as the Ukrainian army regrouped, they broke the Minsk treaty and attacked this time at Debaltsevo. Putin intervened again, and again they went to Minsk for another treaty. This is why it's called Minsk II.
     
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    Well you don't know a damn thing about Ukraine because if you did, you'd know that AZOV Battalion is Kyiv's (Ukraine's) elite special forces battalion....and they are all NAZIS. I've posted a bunch of pictures and info on them but seems as though we all got the Ray Charles disease.

    And to be blunt, if some dumbasses in DC send troops to the Donbass and open fire, Afghanistan will look like a picnic. Our military couldn't handle a bunch of goat herders.....they damn sure can't handle the strongest ground force in the world. You're living in fantasyland if you think Russia won't attack any NATO troops if they start slaughtering ethnic Russians.

    You guys think this is all fun and games. The Russians aren't laughing. Frankly they are tired of the US's **** (caused by dumbasses in DC) and I don't blame them. Just how many sanctions have been placed on Russia for the fake Russia Russia Russia....got to get Trump at any cost...Hillary Clinton bought and paid for scam?
     
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    Uhmm... Special Fores don't operate i Battalions. Thank you for proving my point. If you want to call a Boy Scout Troop... "Special Forces"... have at it. It's just silly to those that have a clue.

    Ahh... you think the US military is incompetent. ("Our military couldn't handle a bunch of goat herders.....they damn sure can't handle the strongest ground force in the world.") You have no idea. Again, you know nothing of the military... stick to what you know... gay rights and transgender issues. You wouldn't know an M11 from an M4.

    Do you tell your doctor his business? Your astronaut? Your lawyer? Wow... military operations aren't as simple as you think either.
     
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    A Brigade Combat Team is a lot more than that. Army organization, Lesson ONE:

    A Fire Team is five guys.
    A Squad is two Fire Teams
    A Platoon is four Squads.
    A Company is three maneuver Platoons and a Special Weapons Platoon (mortars, heavy machine guns)
    A Battalion is three maneuver Companies and a Support Company (food, ammo, fuel, etc)
    A Brigade is three maneuver Battalions

    The new Brigade Support Teams BCT) are designed to be a totally independent fighting unit. So they have aviation elements, artillery elements and more. That's usually about 3,300 Soldiers.

    The 153d BCT deployed in November. If you saw a reference to 165 Soldiers, you obviously saw a reference to forward Headquarters elements that would be sent ahead to prepare billets, organize gun parks, set up logistics and so forth in preparation for the "main body".

    Don't confuse this BCT with some US Soldiers that have been in the Ukraine for awhile training them to use JAVELIN anti-tank systems. Totally different issue.
     
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    Your "strongest ground force" got slaughtered in Deir Ezzor Syria in Feb 2018 when it tried to attack US forces....Russki mercs(aka supposedly former military) were lunch for buzzards and Hyenas....not one US casualty.

    Asiatic Russkis should stick to attacking chechens and semi defenseless Ukies....they're no match for Nato...let alone US forces. If Russkis would attack US forces ....your light would be brief and short.
     
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    And you're claiming to be some kinda expert on Ukraine?....yes...you've been to 4 cities?....I guess that makes you an authority?....LOL.

    Azov are all Nazis....nobody...yah don't say carsy....no bigger Nazis than in the DPR and the little Botox Vladolf chimp in Mafialand. :))
     
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    Why are some of you obsessed with Nazis in Ukraine?

    And our military is far, far better in standup conflicts with conventional forces than irregulars in third world settings so shut up about all this "couldn't handle goat herders" crap.
     
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    :))....Last I checked..."goat herders" brought down a mighty Soviet Empire.

    I think @Bill Carson is butthurt....and the thing with "Nazis"....is a knee jerk reaction to anyone/thing that disagrees with these "Potemkin agents" here. The same ones who were the biggest collaborators with the Nazis.
     
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    I hadn't realized how ignorant of things military the typical US citizen has become since the draft ended. It ended a generation ago and now Americans, when speaking of military affairs, sound like they are describing unicorns and the Land of Oz. Scary.
     
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    Such military experts about Ukraine. :roflol::roflol::roflol:

    Some of you can't even translate Cyrillic....apparently even with a translator.

    Here's what is gonna happen. The little midget comedian in Kiev will jump up and down about big bad Russia....but this is just an act for US taxpayer handouts. These handouts get funneled into corrupt hands, such as his handler Ihor Kolomoisky. The same POS behind AZOV (A3OB in cyrillic), the same POS that knows the truth about MH17's downing, the same POS behind the killings in Odessa and others.

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    I can see some of you have swallowed the western fake news media's narrative about maidan and azov so it is what it is. You can't be bothered learning anything about Ukraine for yourself....that would actually involve effort. Maybe if you have some spare time, you could join the terrorists the US funded in Syria with the failed attempt to remove Assad and find those weapons of mass destruction in Iraq we were all told about.

    The fact that some of you can't grasp the US was behind the coup in Ukraine....yet the US openly armed terrorists in Syria. I just have to laugh. AZOV is just another terrorist group....a NAZI terrorist group that just happens to be part of the official Ukrainian military.
     
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    Well Dayton maybe you recall WW2? Which side did we ally with? The genocidal maniacs or the mostly Russian Soviets?

    And you can't figure out WTF is wrong with US taxpayers paying to train NAZIS????

    Do you want to be drawn into a war with Russia over some ignorant NAZIS in Ukraine??
     
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    US/USSR agreed to fight the Nazis....nothing more....after that all bets were off....and they were....wasn't long before hostilities started....like right after Germany surrendered....so the threat remained the Marxist/Leninist East....im not supporting the Germans....there was a point yo be made....about the threat from the East.

    Lucky for the Sovs and massive lend lease that "Nazis" were defeated.....had it not been for it General Ost Plan would've been a reality.

    Patton had a point....halt the Russkis somewhere in Belarus....Europe wouldn't been enslaved.
     
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    The pic looks more like a recreation "paintball" club than a fighting force. A gaggle like that is far from a formation of Soldiers.
     
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    I can put up a hundred more.

    Do you have any idea where this picture was taken?? I have stood in that exact same spot and the significance of AZOV on display here is something you'll never grasp. Apparently.

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    Is there anywhere else you haven't stood? How about the moon....did you see US flag there?

    Anyway....thanks for the actions of Botox $hitnugget in DPR....probably none of this would've come to pass.....its only when "separsky vermin" were getting hammered and Russki handlers needed to come to their assistance and many of them get sent back in Cargo200....cremated and ashes tossed in a ditch....or just left on the ground so dogs can chew carcasses.

    There hundreds of pics of Russki nazis and skinheads one can post here....so much so you'd need to take your "pro russki" rant somewhere else.:)
     
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    Since 2013, the US has voted against a UN resolution “combatting glorification of Nazism” and this year the US and Ukraine were the only 2 nations that voted against it.

    Nations usually associate with those similar to themselves morally and culturally. This is why we fought against aggressors such as Nazi Germany, and Japan in WWII. Today though in contrast, we're supporting aggressors. Since this is not representative of the American people, it does explain why Washington uses deception to cover up its actions.

    For those not in the know, the difference between the Nazis in Germany and those in Western Ukraine - whose brutality shocked even the hardened Germans, is that the German people suffered dearly and repented for their ‎actions. In Ukraine though, they glorify those actions each year by celebrating Bandera's birthday - even though he committed genocide and in the most brutal manner towards the Poles. From what I read, they would pick the children up by their legs and smash their heads against the wall.

    Yet, whenever a Pole say's anything, instead of being apologetic for what their parents and grandparents did, the nationalists become furious that the Poles dare to offend their hero Bandera. Can you imagine the Germans marching and celebrating Hitler's birthday and being furious if the Jews and Slavs were to say anything?

    Also, because the Western Ukrainians have never suffered for their actions, they believe that cruelty and hard handed methods is the only way to build a nation, so they've been using the same methods towards their Russian inhabitants.

    It was the Pogrom of Korson against the Crimean protesters by the nationalists that had Crimea declare its independence and rejoin Russia, and it was the burning and hacking of protesters by the nationalists in Odessa that caused Donetsk and Lugansk to break away.

    The official death tolls in both cases is much lower than the amount of people that are unaccounted for. In the pogrum 7 are killed and thirty are missing and presumed dead, while in the fire about 200 are unaccounted for.

    There are many videos of the fire at Odessa, and even a recording of a telephone call by Kolomoisky telling the Nazis to kill the surviving protestors in the hospitals. I even saw videos of girls from Lviv being taught how to make Molotov cocktails to throw at the building. There is even a telephone call where a cleaning women can be heard begging someone not to kill her.

    These are the people that we support, and these are the atrocities that are being covered up by our medias. Here are some of the videos:

    The Pogrom of Korsun:



    The Fire at the Trade Union Bldg. in Odessa:

     
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    Was Banderas doin all this before or after he started his singing career?
     
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    "goat herders" lavishly equipped with advanced U.S. weapons like Stinger SAMs.
     

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