RUSSIA PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN WILL MEDIATE WITH NORTH KOREA

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  1. trucker

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    yeah good luck in doing that.. its like a roach motel sticky mOUnTain terrain not like iraq flat as a pancake
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    their in north korea you can come in but man your going to wish yah didnt..
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    Jip. And the understanding no doubt is that the US doesn't want millions of new immigrants, so that one is easy to explaine to Trump that China will not accept an attack no NK because that will lead to millions of immigrants for them.

    Odds are that Israel has the highest state of the art equipment for that.
    And stupid little Macgyver do it your own missiles are not stopped all the time.
    NK got missiles who are a heck of a lot more advanced.
    These are the facts.

    Now... why do you think SK will do better?
     
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    I know. As well as know that it still excused as "necessity".

    It was necessary to ensure safety of Leningrad and Union's north-west border.
    It was necessary to have no insurgents behind our frontlines in Poland.
    It was necessary to build dams, railroads, dig channels and cut timber.

    It was necessary right to the point where country, that labelled these things necessary, started changing, and people who said these things were necessary lost the support of people.

    It is necessary to invade Iraq, Yemen, Lybia and Syria.
    It is necessary to "topple the tyrannies" and support coups.
    It is necessary to keep over two millions of people in jails and practice death penalty.

    It is necessary - for now.


    For our freedom from such sweet, but poisonous illusions three people paid with their lives:
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    Does not mean our government turned ideal or does not tries to feed us new excuses for them covering up the mistakes, crimes and brutality - it means that majority of citizens of Federation do not fall for these lies anymore. We want a better society, we dream of a better world, we wish and pray for peace. Because alternatives are ugly, bloody, and condemning for any of the people who, when or after the terrible happens - will try living their lives with what have happened and claiming to not be even slightly responsible.


    The feeling I get sometimes from being on Internet, that many people, in USA included, do not feel themselves responsible for actions of their government, or are isolated from the ugly side of them, makes me shiver, and I sincerely hope people are more involved in the lives of their coutries, than I think. That in case of something terrible they will stand between the government, and targets, or victims, of this government's brutality - as well as hope that in Federation I will not be one of few, but one of many, who would stand between our government and those who it will aim force at.
     
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    Problem is, last one who was sincerely wishing to "remind the world" of something through brutal force has shot his brain out over corpses of his wife and children.

    Or, to be precise, problem is, that no amount of propaganda, promises and oaths can stop people from being scared by brutal display of force and dedicating their life on eliminating the threat of biggest scale. In this centure such turn of events may not be surviveable for humanity as a species.
     
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    Again China is now our partner we will work out the refugee issue. It will be so fast unlike protracted small warfare in Syria.. I suspect less refugees than you think. It will be Oh *****.. Put your head down... Raise up and now it's over.

    You have a valid point about the chemical weapons but not to be Machievellan.. Those can only effect the DMZ in the worse case scenario and I would argue that the transfer of chemical weapons takes time, communication.. Orders to change out the regular munitions with chemical... More communication... Orders to fire.. More communication.

    There will be NO communications and even NKs brainwashed troops will hesitate without it
     
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    Too philosophical. No need to speak in riddles either. Facts, History, current events, NKs alienating their one and only super power ally? Recently? I'll use these barometers

    My point in this thread is based on recent history and the rather unwarranted, unneeded, position KJU has driven the US too.

    He has a God complex to put it simply and unless someone gets through to him rather quickly?

    Well. I've already stated what.

    Edit : your ambiguous volatile mental image of someone shooting themselves is not in reference to anything I stated? I was referencing the Gulf War. Very clear reminding of the world there. Not bragging. It's the cold hard truth.
     
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    China is not the partner of the US. Just because they had a talk, doesn't mean a thing.
    Again.... Irak was able to shoot out plenty of missiles to Israel. They didnt even have any lazer guided technology and still hit Israel. So you can not claim NK, who got far more advanced missiles with WMD capabilities, won't be hit Seoul.
     
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    Apply critical thinking skills. What if hardly any negative media that is state sponsored has come out of Beijing since that meeting?

    Before Xi came to Florida it was constant. Xi heard something he if didn't like he could work with to further China's agenda of being an equal super power to the US. That involves a stable Asian peninsula.

    China advises KJU and US to negotiate

    NK threatens them.

    Now China is quiet.

    They are done with KJU. He is not his father

    Edit : forgot your missiles concern. WMDs

    THAAD is deployed plus our naval capacity too? No missiles landing that's even if they are able to fire with the barrage of electronic warfare and cyber attacks
     
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    interesting perception thought yah got there.. are they distant or scarred by the us news reports that the us citys can be hit with kims misssles heck china and russia has had them pointed at us for years.
     
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    Image is not reference to USA operations, it is how Adolf Hitler died. It may be too strong, and or overused comparsion, but he is a person that is hard to forget, as well as his impact on the world.

    What most important - is that he was a person from age of constant expression of force, that ended up in a global war.

    I indeed may be too philosophical today, due to how day went, so maybe it is better for me to return in this conversation the other day.

    I can only say I doubt that head of state, even in North Korea, could be having a "god complex", and so - the agressiveness of both North Korea and countries surrounding it, as well as USA, worries me.
     
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    So far... the Chinese government has not backed down.
    Your assumptions are just guesswork at best.

    This garante is not based on anything.


    All in all... you think you solved every problem.
    But you got nothing to back up this with any (historic) facts.

    How about you imagine you are wrong....
    This could lead to the destruction of Seoul with 20 million people.
    That is just a way beyond insane gamble.
     
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    Both of your points are noted.

    The difference between China, Russia, and the raving mad man child with his finger on the button is immense.

    China and Russia are in my opinion very responsible world players.

    KJU is not. He is an isolated, selfish, arrogant, reckless twit. All those fine attributes things are fine... Unless you have zero checks and balances between you and the American people via a nuke deliverable by an ICBM.

    So play the Americans are heartless gambit. We are not. I want KJU to give up his missile program. If he doesn't we will force him too.

    It's that simple
     
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    First of all, China and *Soviet Union. RF continued nuclear disarmament, started in the Union, and even still continues it, from what I know.

    As for my opinion on how well people in USA informed about negative outcomes of their government's decidions - from what I know, as in any other country, media does not gives detailed reports of civilian casualties in military operations, of war crimes of soldiers who, for one or other reson, violate military code, of crisises and acts of corruption of governmental officials, unless it gets condemned by courts. Media does this freely in relation to foreign officials and foreign military, but never their own. It just not wise to expect the lack of these reports being sign of the absence of such problems.

    But as I pointed already - I, indeed, got too emotional tonight, and indeed sound a bit too literary and not factual enough, so - I guess that's it for me for today. Hope I bringed no confusion to anybody, and kept my opinions at least relatively clear. Beg for pardon, if it is not so, and would be glad to clearify them other day, if needed.
     
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    Well you should be worried. I'm worried. My positions throughout this thread aren't that I'm hawkish. I just know my government.

    and for some crazy reason I can't pretend to understand. KJU decided that now was the time to play the rebel with a nuke card.

    Now as to what I quoted you above. Do you have anything to support that statement. Why wouldn't KJU have a God complex? Isolated, educated privately, Kim Jung-il decided these things. No one hardly even saw this guy before his father passed.

    So you can tout your doubts about heads of state not being able to be whatever... I find Direct evidence that would support any human.. Myself or you even.. Raised as he was.. being somewhat similar. In his country for all intents and purposes he is God. His actions against his own leadership, family and people support this.

    It's kind of sad.

    Tell me if I'm mistaken. I'm open

    Edit : don't apologize I value your knowledge and Russian perspective to the highest degree. I should apologize.. Haha I was in a car wreck that's had me out of work 6 weeks so I've focused all my energy on this. I know alot more too. Not military stuff. Our forums have experts on that. But our Congress stuff.

    Doesn't seem important to an outsider but the " old bulls" in Congress have to support any action ( even if Trump doesn't ask officialaly) and.. I believe they do.

    Kim must back down and fast.
     
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    Fear mongering your own thread sir?? Ima take away your AK and give you a wiffle bat for a day
     
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    trucker Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ha yah and theirs no truth behind kim flatting Seoul if we strike him first? 20 mill say..
    i used to pack a s&w 9mm 459 [​IMG] on my hip belt in the las vegas casinos for 8 years come on i can handle a gun in public.
     
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    btw my 459 wasn't isnt this accurate :?
     
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    Honestly. No truth in any scenario of Seoul being flattened. Not even feasible.

    and I see your 959 and raise you... My 2nd Ruger SP101.

     
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    nice i used to have a 357 s&w forgot the model first carry gun in the casino of course we could only used 38 plus p rounds
    i think it was a 686 chrome plated
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    So you love slavery, the confederates, Trump, the Russians? Any other bad guys? Darth Vader? Maleficent? The boogie man?
     
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    trucker Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    boogie man? :laughing:
     
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    Um I love the confederacy what their struggle was really for and.. " shuffles feet" I kinda got a thing for Maleficent too..

    Edit : oops forgot Trump. Love him.. mostly as POTUS
     
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    I see you are ok with Darth Vader and Malefocent but not the boogie man. Got it. What about Kim Jong Un? Drinking buddy of yours?
     
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    1/2 of their struggle was about states rights the other 1/2 was about the right to have slaves so I really don't like them that much. And are you talking about the 1959 or 2014 Maleficent?
     

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