Russia vows to stop USA from "taking over Ukraine".

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  1. Poohbear

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    Communism was an empire which began in Russia, spread to China and Eastern Europe, and then to Indochina.
    Colonial empires were de rigueur in ancient times, be they in Africa, the Mediterranean, the Americas, Asia and
    Europe. Carthage and Greece for instance had empires which spread out around the Mediterranean - bringing
    wealth back to the nation state.
    I worked with a guy who was a sergeant in the Sth Vietnamese army. He was lucky to survive. He went to a
    're-education' camp where he learned Capitalism was 'evil.' (Never mind the killing of over a hundred million
    people by Communism was evil.) When this guy got out of 're-education' he learned Hanoi had a stock market.
     
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    What a load of crap! They have pro-Russian political party and it has marginal support from the population. All you got are unsubstantiated Russian talking points.
    Oh, and in case you didn’t know - Americans are English-speakers and we don’t see the U.K. trying to take some territory based on that.
     
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    Where is it (the pro-Russian party)? There is nothing pro-Russian there. In Kiev, you can get a face punch just for speaking Russian. And I am silent about western Ukraine! Everything concerning Russia is de facto banned in Ukraine!
     
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    Yes there is such a thing as 'Communist colonialism.'
    But no, there is no such WORD as 'Communist colonialism' because our word smiths wouldn't sanction such
    a word.
    Re word smiths - I am old enough to remember the saying, 'There will not be any blood bath in South Vietnam
    if the country is liberated.' After Sth Viet was 'liberated' over 100,000 people were murdered after all journalists
    and foreigners were asked to leave the country temporarily. But this blood bath couldn't be hid in Cambodia -
    though Cambodian bloodbath wasn't much different as any other Communist seizure it differed in that the
    Cambodian Communists turned on their Hanoi masters and their colonists in Cambodia. This was embarrasing
    to the Western Leftist so instead of calling the Pol Pot killers 'Cambodian Communist Party' the word smiths
    reworded them 'Khmer Rouge.' Chinese Communist Party isn't called by it's Chinese name, nor is the Vietnamese
    Communist party named in their language - their crimes were not headlines.
     
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    Quote from history.com
    The war broke out on June 25, 1950 when North Korean troops crossed the 38th parallel, invading South Korea.
    North Korean leader Kim Il-sung launched the attack ..


    Please inform history.com their facts are wrong.
     
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    Your Russian Pipeline was. So you do know about Keystone!!! Brandon makes you proud doesn't he?
     
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    That's right, but the fact that Truman started a war in a sovereign country without a UN resolution, you will modestly keep silent. However, America has always done so.
     
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    What a load of crap!
    I grew up in Kyiv and no one is “getting punched” for speaking Russian - I know because most of my friends there ARE Russian speakers. Even in Lviv I spoke Russian without any problems.
    Again, you are spreading propaganda, plain and simple.
     
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    So, you saying that North Korea, the USSR and China started the Korean War with a UN Resolution?
    Odd, the UN soldiers were all in South Korea fighting THEM.
     
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    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Ukraine

    Opposition Platform - For Life is a pro-Russian party. Out of about 420 seats in Ukrainian parliament, they have 44, or about 10%, which makes this party a marginal political force.
    This alone kills your argument about Russian speakers, as even those who do speak Russian there do not want to be associated with Russia. :lol:

    Any other baseless arguments? :nod:
     
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    I live on the border with Ukraine, in the city of Belgorod, 80 km from the border. Since you know Russian well, read this. You can, of course, say that this is Russian propaganda, but this newspaper is an opposition publication https://lenta.ru/news/2020/02/09/russ/
     
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    A friend of mine down here is an immigrant from Russia. He is a Russian Jew, and back in time he served in the Soviet army with some Ukrainians. The Ukrainians told him to never go to Ukraine, because they hate two things: Russians and Jews, and my friend was both.
     
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    "On July 3, 2020, a grenade was thrown into the office of the OPZH party in Poltava, the secretary was injured.
    Party members have been repeatedly attacked by radical organizations, which, according to some media reports, coordinate their actions to a certain extent with State authorities. The attacks take place on the basis of accusations and claims against the activities of politicians of the OPZH faction in the Verkhovna Rada." This is a significant moment for a marginal party that supports the Russian language. They don't touch anyone, yes. Tell me another joke.
     
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    No names were given for the victim and her attackers and no location of the incident disclosed. Your story just says some woman claims that she was assaulted for the language, yet there is no way to verify it. We don’t even know if the woman exists. Reminds me the story about that crucified boy.

    My aunt speaks mostly Russian. She lives in Kyiv. She was never attacked for speaking Russian. The same phenomenon was observed with all of my former classmates.

    Your source is just another propaganda outlet. Do yourself a favor, watch Ukrainian TSN one day - even though it’s in Ukrainian, many people they interview speak Russian on camera without being afraid to use that language. Website is here - tsn.ua. You can find their news coverage on YouTube. On another thought - you shouldn’t be uncomfortable with Ukrainian language, after all, it’s a “dialect”, isn’t it? So, you should have no problems with understanding it. :lol:
     
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    And yet, a Russian-speaking Jew is running that country. :applause:
    Ukrainians must hate them Russian Jews so much that they elect them to their highest office.
     
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    This is an example of political violence, which is not comparable to random people being assaulted for simply speaking Russian. Almost all Ukrainian parties at some point suffer from these minor incidents.
    Besides that, Ukraine prosecutes these crimes and hands out real prison sentences to people who commit them.
    Again, pro-Russian political force in Ukraine barely gathers 10% of support among common Ukrainian citizens. That alone speaks volumes about their opinion of Russia and going back. People with pro-Russian sentiments are a marginal minority now. Before Crimea it used to be closer to half, for which you have Pootin to thank, but that ship has sailed 8 years ago.
     
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    Here is the truth)
     
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    What does it matter what languages he speaks? Those Ukrainians I mentioned didn't just make it up. Lets not pretend Ukrainians in general like Russians and Jews. As you probably know the Ukrainian police rounded up Jews and helped Nazis massacre them at places like Babi Yar. Many became Hitlers willing executioners. Of course I am not saying all Ukrainians are like that, but it is what it is.

    Ukrainian newspaper Volhyn wrote: "The Jewish element that settled our cities must disappear completely from our cities. The Jewish problem is already in the process of being solved."
     
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    The link above is to a comedy show called Diezel Show that I frequently watch. It’s aired on the Ukrainian channel ICTV. If you scroll and listen, you’ll notice that most of the show is in Russian language.
    If Russian speakers were commonly assaulted on the streets, and Ukraine was a country that actively persecuted Russian speakers, such show would not be allowed to exist.

    For more examples, search for Zhenskiy Kvartal, which is a spin-off of Zelenskiy’s comedy show and a large chunk of their jokes are in Russian as well.
     
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    It matters to Russians who want to invade a country and use it as an issue, when in reality it’s not.

    If Ukrainians, in general, had some problems with Russians and Jews, one would think they wouldn’t elect a Russian-speaking Jew for president.

    WWII was like what, 80 years ago? Those people are long dead! Your argument is beyond lame and is completely irrelevant.

    As if in the US we don’t have publications that publish questionable stuff? I can quote almost every article by CNN and you can quote pretty much everything aired by Fox.
     
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    Sure, about 17% of Ukrainians are very pro-Russia but the majority, however, are not pro-Russia and as we speak they are digging foxholes in preparation of potential Russian invasion.
     
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    Don’t pull numbers out of thin air.
    A pro-Russian political party enjoys 10% of support. That’s pretty far from the 17% you claimed.
     
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    The holocaust is irrelevant? I disagree.

    Antisemitism in Ukraine is alive and well no matter how bad you try to hide it.

    Why, in 2014 in city of Donetsk, an order was given (via a leaflet) for all Jews register as Jews, and also given an account of all property they own, or else lose their citizenship and have their property confiscated?
     
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