Russian Empire in the outcome of the Olympic Games, or sport and politics

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    Russian Empire in the outcome of the Olympic Games,
    or sport and politics



    The famous slogan "sport out of politics" is true, but not in all cases. For example, in countries with a totalitarian regime, where without the participation of the state power does not function, no public organization, including sports, this slogan not only does not work, in fact, this slogan, in Russia, as came to light, hide behind the criminal case initiated by the authorities. Today, the real state of the sport in Russia reflects the slogan "victory at any cost." And this price was high. Because of the imposed top sports management, under the patronage of the Federal Security Service, the use of performance-enhancing drugs, some athletes lost the right to participate in the Olympic Games 2016. I note that the doping scandal that erupted just before the Olympic Games, has just begun and we must think of the consequences of his yet to come. In totalitarian Russia no government official would dare step and make without Putin's knowledge, so it is logical to assume that the doping of athletes on the eve of the 2014 Winter Olympics were fed on the direct orders of President Putin. Putin needed to strengthen its prestige before the planned military invasion of Russia in Ukraine.

    I want to boast, I still Russia foresaw aggression in 2005 in respect of Georgia and Ukraine in the article "A terrible charge for the roof of the Rose Revolution" (1), and in "Whose Crimea" article (2) for 2006, pointed directly to the inevitable Russian seizure of the Crimea. A year before the Russian attack on Ukraine in the article "Ukraine - a victim of the West's immorality against Russia" (3) I wrote:

    Using the reluctance of numerous Russian population of Ukraine live in a democracy and separatist sentiments, Putin the pretext of protecting their rights may send troops and split Ukraine, putting the West with a fait accompli. The main question is how the West is ready to swallow this bitter pill? Of course, the war over Ukraine will not start, it is Putin understands perfectly, but what actions are likely to be followed by an economic nature, and so they are terrible for Russia? Wink Is West principles or surrender Ukraine as passed Chechnya, allowing Putin to severely crack down on Chechen people? Or continue to continue to buy Russian energy, preferring a purely pragmatic approach, without taking into account the fair words of Sakharov, that the most pragmatic approach is moral. Here one thing is clear, to the Sochi Winter Olympics in Russia will not undertake the invasion of the Ukraine, in order not to repeat the failed 1980 Moscow Olympics year. Therefore, the Ukrainians should hurry to join the EU before the end of the Sochi Olympics.


    The fact that Russia invaded Ukraine after the Olympics in Sochi, and not before, already points to a direct link politics and sports in Russia. Earlier, due to the dense Russian policy, it vzashey expelled from the G8. Now came the turn of the athletes. Involvement of Russian athletes in the circle of Putin's political ambitions, turned out for each of them a personal tragedy. Thrusting all Russian athletes and weight lifters from the Olympic Games in Rio de Janeiro, Russia pointed out the place where it should be. It seems that soon Russia does not find a place in a decent society.

    Now I want to stay at a large-scale impact of the political situation in the Russian Empire in the sport as a whole.

    Russia after the Soviet Union has never been a winner at the Summer Olympics. Moreover, in the last two Olympics Russia did not rise above 4 th place. The main reason is that a large number of medals accounted for by the peoples of the former Soviet Union, got the opportunity with the disappearance of the USSR, independently participate in international sports competitions.


    Table 1 Results of the 2016 Summer Olympics
    Countries of the former USSR
    gold
    silver
    bronze Total
    medals
    (*)(*)Russia 19 18 19 56
    Uzbekistan April 2 July 13
    Kazakhstan May 3 September 17
    Ukraine April 11 May 2
    Shipping 2 1 4 7
    Azerbaijan 1 July 18 October
    Belarus 1 April April 9
    Armenia 1 3 0 4
    Tajikistan 1 0 0 1
    Lithuania 0 1 3 4
    Estonia 0 0 1 1
    Moldova 0 0 1 1

    table 2
    Countries of the former USSR
    gold
    silver
    bronze Total
    medals
    Russia 19 18 19 56
    Former Soviet republics
    15
    28
    43
    86


    Due to the international sports competitions The world learned of the existence of the Kazakhs, Turkmen, Tajiks, Georgians, Azerbaijanis and other peoples, the athletes who, as the Soviet Union, Russian perceived. Even today, the athletes of the peoples have not yet gained their freedom at the Olympics are considered Russian. If the peoples of the Russian Empire, the Tatars, Chechens, Kabardians, Dagestan and others achieve independence, I'm afraid of the Russian Empire at the Olympics will not find a place in the top ten countries.

    1.http://www.rutalk.co.uk/showthread.php?45018-страшная-плата-за-крышу-от-розовых-революций
    2.http: //proza.ru/2008/03/23/498
    3.http: //alikbahshi.livejournal.com/#post-alikbahshi-20891

    08/27/2016
     
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    In Soviet times, these.....Kazakhs, Turkmen,Tajiks,....and "other peoples" thought that they fed Russians.
    At that time the Soviet Union was buying wheat in Canada.

    After these "other peoples" secede from Russia, Russia stopped buying wheat in Canada. :smile:
    Now Russia sells Russian wheat abroad.:clapping:

    Now the "other peoples" find happiness, to come to Russia and work as janitors.

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    Firstly, your post is off topic. Secondly, all the former colonial peoples of the Russian empire, fed the great Russian people:

    Ukraine - bread, meat, milk, coal, engineering products, vegetables, fruit.
    Belarus, - bread, meat, milk, and technical products.
    Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, meat, milk, fish, and technical products.
    Georgia, wine, citrus fruits, tea.
    Azerbaijan - oil, gas, cotton, vegetables, fruits, caviar, fish, tea.
    Armenia - nothing.
    Kazakhstan - oil, coal, grain, fish.
    Uzbekistan - cotton, fruits, vegetables, gas, gold, uranium.
    Turkmenistan - gas, Cotton.
    Tajikistan, - cotton, fruits, vegetables.

    Third, is now on the great Russian people, as a Russian call themselves, are not so great, according to the Olympic Games after the disappearance of the Soviet Union, when a part of the former in the empire peoples to become involved in the competition, depriving the great Russian people many medals .
     
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    Here, everything is politics. This is a political forum.
    Povtoryu once more a historical fact.
    From this fact, it is clear who gets fed in the USSR.

    Russian occupants vacated, leaving behind a built schools, hospitals, factories ....

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    That's right, a political forum and the theme of my policy of communication with the sport, as demonstrated by Russia. And where is the grain trade between Canada and Russia? You can, for something to say on the subject?
     
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    If country "A" feed the country "B" as soon as country "A" gets independence, she begins to live richer than before, and the country ' B ' poorer. After the Soviet collapse, Russia began to live much richer than countries that became independent. This is an additional confirmation of the fact that during Soviet times, not so much of the Soviet Republics fed Russia, how Russia fed of the Soviet Republics.

    It also explains the fact that the West does not understand. In Russia people do not want accession of former Soviet republics. People want to return to the Soviet Union, but only as a social structure and within the Russian Federation. Well, maybe with the other parts of historical Russia — Belarus and Ukraine. This is the usual thrust from Association with ethnic brethren, for the sake of the people of Russia are ready to suffer temporary problems. As for the other countries of the former USSR — it's just useless expenses and losses for Russia.
     
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    it needs to be emphasized.:oldman:
     
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    Oh, yes, it is particularly well suited for your argument with an example of Azerbaijan. Since poorer while not a part of Russia!
     
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    Azerbaijan is the exception. 1 from 14.
    in these an exception we can add only Kazakhstan.
     
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    I found an interesting statistic.

    http://vesti.lv/news/kto-kogo-kormil-v-sssr

    Site in Russian. With that, what is worse, in Russian there and diagrams, so the electronic translator will not help. But I will translate the most interesting options.

    The article deals with the GDP per capita in the Soviet republics. And also - the volumes of production and consumption.

    [​IMG]

    Picture # 1. How much is produced and consumed Soviet republics. The first column - the name of the Republic (RSFSR / Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Lithuania, Azerbaijan, and so on).

    The second column - the GDP per capita in thousands of dollars per year in 1990.

    The third column - the consumption of goods per capita per year, too, thousands of dollars.

    Fourth - the difference between production and consumption. That is, the more negative the number, the Republic produce more and spend less.

    Result:
    RSFSR = -5.7
    Belarus = -3.6
    Ukraine = 0.9
    ...
    Azerbaijan = 8.4
    Kazakhstan = 7.6
    Georgia = 33.3
     
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    Then there are some more tables, but in this context it is interesting.

    [​IMG]

    This share of GDP per capita of the Republic in relation to the Russian. In 1990 and 2015.

    This is a share of GDP (PPP) per capita of the Republic in relation to the Russian. In 1990 and 2015. That is in fact the table shows how in the republics of improved or worsened the economic situation on Russia for 25 years.

    The first column - GDP (PPP) of 1990, as a percentage of the Russian. The second - the same for 2015. The third and fourth - the same, but the GDP (PPP) per capita.

    For example, Ukraine. In 1990, its GDP (PPP) amounted to 29.6% of Russia's GDP. In 2015 - only 9.1%. Per capita of its GDP (PPP) amounted to 112% of the Russian in 1990 (it turns out that Ukraine is living on 12% richer than Russia). In 2015 - only 29.5% (three times poorer than Russia).

    That in some republics of the last two speakers and their ratio. The ratio indicates how many times fell GDP (PPP) of these republics towards Russia since the days of the USSR:

    Belarus = 101 / 69.2 = 1.5
    Kazakhstan = 150 / 95.2 = 1.6
    Lithuania = 197 / 111.4 = 1.8
    Azerbaijan = 141 / 70.4 = 2.0
    Estonia = 303 / 112.2 = 2.7
    Ukraine = 112 / 29.5 = 3.8
    Uzbekistan = 147 / 23.6 = 6.2
    Georgia = 355 / 37.7 = 9.4
     
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    Very intertesnye figures! Then why I went to Moscow for butter, cheese and sausage? Practice shows that someone's lying fine.
     
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    You don't see a difference between Moscow and RSFSR?

    I too in the Soviet years lived not in Moscow :D
     
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    The conversation is about you given table, that is, the differences between the republics. So, I went for the sausage from one republic to Russia. So you no longer want?
     
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    You told that you went behind sausage to Moscow, but not to RSFSR. So specify, you went behind sausage to Moscow or, say, to Pskov?
     
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    Do you want me to repeat that I flew to Moscow for sausage. Yes. If you are interested in more detail, and also butter. Moscow is located in the RSFSR. What else have questions?
     
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    You arrived in Moscow not from Georgia, not from Armenia, not from Latvia, not from Estonia ....
     
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    I don't understand what you want to say?
     
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    You don't understand that Moscow (especially during the USSR) is not all RSFSR.
     
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    Yes, I was wrong. Sorry. In the USSR, it was all good, except for Moscow. Shops were filled with products. Meat, butter, caviar, and other foods are in abundance. In some places, introduced coupons for butter and the meat just to make people follow a diet and be healthy. A collapse of the USSR the Americans their propoganda, using a CIA agent Gorbachev.
     
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    Again trolling. Okay, I see no reason to communicate with you further.
     
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    What a pity.
     
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    It published the second part of the WADA report in which McLaren brought irrefutable facts substitution undertaken by doping kontol urine samples of Russian athletes. Surprisingly, there are samples with the DNA entirely a stranger or with a salt concentration incompatible with life. In short, Putin pulled the sport in Russia in his beloved toilet, which if you remember his words, he drenched the Chechens.
     
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    The International Olympic Committee announced new sanctions against Russia.

    According to the second part of McLaren's report on doping in Russia on 9 December for at least thousands of Russian sportsmen and women in 30 sports were involved in the manipulation of the positive doping test. NAVKOLO ME http://navkolo.me/mezhdunarodniy-oli...ie-194903.html

    Putin destroyed the sport in Russia. Liar and international bully everything it touches turns to (*)(*)(*)(*).
     
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    The flow of Russian athletes who refuse to serve under the Russian flag, will undoubtedly grow. So the world champion in the high jump Maria Kuchin and world champion in the hurdles race Sergey Shubenkov refused to represent Russia at the international competitions. After three more Russian athlete Anastasia Kalina, Elena Sidorova Korobkina and Angelica have applied for individual participation in international tournaments. If earlier Russia was famous for political refugees, but today there was such a thing as a sports emigration.
     

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