Russian FM warns USA against putting defense systems in space.

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  1. Giftedone

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    OK then loony tunes it is. Its not every day that someone comes right out and advocates for total annihilation but I do appreciate the honesty.

    I wonder what the new name for the land that once was the USA would be ? "Land of Glowing People" perhaps. :)
     
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    Add the fact that nukes in space are much less destructive than on earth.
     
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    This is the
    this is the 1980’s all over again

    Whatever the russians do liberals make excuses for them and blame America
     
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    Mac - you are going into denial land - thought avoidance mode. You asked a question - I gave you the answer. I realize that you didn't like the answer but, complaining about liberals does not change the fact that Russia can nuke us into oblivion - nor does it change the fact that Gov't often does stupid things - be it in the US or other nations. Nor does it change the fact that our foreign policy is dictated by big money interests - many of which are not even Americans .. people who make large amounts of money when our Gov't spends our tax dollars on big military and security budgets.

    In order to maintain public support for this spending they need to scare you - "big bad Russia" "big bad Al Qaeda". So they do things to provoke Russia and when Russia responds .. .as we know they will .. the propaganda the feed you (same stuff that has made you believe Trumps turds smell like flowers) then says look look at big bad Russia. We better spend another 100 Billion.

    Did you not notice that we have been in Afghanistan for 18 years ? Doing what ? Where are the progress updates - "This is were our objectives and this is what we got done" The Taliban are not Al Qaeda and they condemned Al Qaeda right after 911. That said - we know this is all BS anyway because we armed and supported Al Qaeda with tens of thousands of tons of sophisticated military equipment in Syria.

    Did something not go click in your head when you heard this stuff ? "Hmmm .. someone is feeding me a load of carp"

    You complain about Gov't spending in one breath - but in the next you are calling criticism of this wasteful spending "Anti American".

    Our homeland security/intelligence agencies budget - including dark projects is 130 Billion a year - much of which goes to "defense contractors" This is double the entire federal spend of Mexico - a nation that is 11th in the world in terms of purchasing power.

    And what are they doing with this money ? - when not arming Al Qaeda they are generating propaganda and disseminating it on US citizens to keep you buying into this nonsense ... and you gulp it down without a thought.
     
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    The idea is to make aamerica do strong tha no hostile power wants war with us

    That costs money

    And so far every baby boomer president has used that power unwisely

    But its still the best idea
     
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    What do you mean make us strong enough so that no one will want to war with us ? We are already far stronger than that- sans looking 1000 years into the future. We already have the capability to destroy Russia 5 times over .. what then is the point of 6 ? "Make us Strong" did you not read my previous post ? You are spewing a spoon fed propaganda narrative that has no basis in reality.

    If we put missiles in space - Russia will put missiles in space - nuclear missiles. That don't make us strong - it makes us on the verge of annihilation. Either that or Russia will take out our missiles in space with ground based missiles ... turning space into a massive junk zone which will confine us to earth - make space unusable due to the incredible amount of space debris from a conflict in space.

    You are beings sold a fantasyland bill of goods and you are happy to pay for it.

    Reagan touted the same nonsense and it made us less safe .. The Bush's did the same - less safe. Now Trump is repeating the same idiocy. Russia does not want to go down this path - neither does China. It is not just Russia we have to contend with - its China as well.

    China, Russia and India - which is near half of the worlds population are working together on technology to combat this mindless desire to be so strong that we can push other nations around. It not going to happen.

    You keep returning to the same pile of vomit - hoping that it will magically become something beautiful. As said previously - the powers at be know this - they are simply trying to justify the continued increases to military spending to pad their pockets.
     
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    As do you

    I cant make you agree with me

    All I can do is give you the reason for our high military budget

    Having the best and the most will save American lives in the next war
     
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    What vomit - everything I have stated is the Truth - you just can't handle the Truth ;)

    There is a difference between agreement - disagreement - and abject denial of reality ... you are engaging in abject denialism.

    Spending that money at home instead of on useless military programs will save lives.

    The path chosen increases the probability of war which increases the probability of costing lives not saving them.

    If the war does happen we are all toast so your point is worthless - simply on the basis of SLBMs and other weapons that such a defense will not touch.

    Your point is also worthless in that Russia will never allow it to happen in the first place. It is worthless because even if Russia did allow it (and they wont) they could just take out these systems prior to firing the ballistic missiles

    And lastly it is worthless because we don't currently have the capability to construct a system that would take out all - or most Russian ballistic missiles.

    You may now avoid addressing all the above points - as you have been doing with all the previous points - by covering your ears and repeating the same mantra to yourself - as if these points do not exist.

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    It's just words, words of warning -- pretty much meaningless when issued by any country, like a redline in the sand. If the US does it anyway now Russia has to go to war with the US to save face and not lose international respect.

    My father taught me not to do any talking, just go straight to the fisticuffs. But that doesn't always work either, like Japan found out in 1945.
     
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    Not as many lives as we could save by preventing a north korean or iranian nuclear weapons attack on the US
     
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    I heard that all US ICBM missiles and launch systems have now been Faraday caged and will withstand an EMP attack. The retaliatory threat is just about impenetrable.
     
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    Now you are moving the goalpost to a different topic. We are talking about Russia - not North Korea and Iran.
     
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    The missile defense system we are debating works on all incoming missiles not just russia’s
     
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    What are you talking about - Aside from the fact that once again you ignored the points made - we do not yet have missile defense that works against ballistic missiles.

    Regardless - you are avoiding the central points by trying to deflect with unrelated nonsense.
     
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    We have been through this before - just because the system exists -does not mean that it works very well. Once again you yap out of turn in your condescending and rude way - as if you know what you are talking about - but you don't.
     
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    You claimed we don’t have ABM systems.
    I pointed out that we do. When 4 fired at a single target the success rate is 97%.

    Just trying to keep you informed, Boris.
     
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    I made no such claim and once again you have no clue what you are talking about.

    Just trying to keep you informed Beavis :)
     
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    If we font have a missile defence then what atd yku worfoed anout?
     
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    Says the guy who doesn't capitalize sentence and ends them with a comma rather than a period.
    It's acceptable to start a sentence with a conjunction like "but", but it should be capitalized. "Aggressive" is misspelled and that's is a contraction of "that is" which means an apostrophe is required. Iran and Yemen are proper nouns that require capitalization. space is required after powers and the start of your parentheses. You're is a contraction and requires an apostrophe.
    A mindless run on sentence that parrots old left-wing talking points. A space is required between as and much. Sentence ends require periods.

    You seem an odd choice to criticize the writing skills of Americans. Do you think perhaps the carnival might be a better match for your skill set?

    As for nuclear treaties and the Russian's failure to abide by them, well, Trump isn't going to stand for it.

    As US Ditches INF, Mid-Range Missiles To Be Deployed In Asia "Within Months"
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    US Defense Secretary Mark Esper: "I would prefer months."

    Worst Putin Puppet Ever!

    A mere day after the US officially exited the Intermediate-range Nuclear Forces treaty (INF) that only we followed, the Pentagon is looking to deploy intermediate range conventional missiles in the Pacific region "within months".
     
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    What denial ... is English not your first language Beavis - or did you just not graduate grade 8.
     
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    You are denying your own words. It’s like in your mind it’s impossible for you to be wrong.
    Are you 16?

    As for your question - 3 languages and a masters degree. ;)
     
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    We have them - they just don't work very well. Its very difficult to hit a bullet moving at 5000 m/second = 3.1 miles per second - with a bullet.

    This has nothing to do with what I think ... it is what the Russians think. Maybe it is easier from space to shoot down a ballistic missile.

    At the end of the day - rushing out to weaponize space - knowing our enemies will do the same - is a bridge way to far - and makes no one more safe.

    Do you have any idea what happens if we start blowing stuff up in space ? - do you like your cell phone ?
     

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