Russian Il-20 downed by Syrian missile after Israeli F-16s used it as cover during attack – MoD

“The Israeli pilots used the Russian plane as cover and set it up to be targeted by the Syrian air defense forces. As a consequence, the Il-20, which has radar cross-section much larger than the F-16, was shot down by an S-200 system missile,” the statement said, adding that 15 Russian military service members have died as a result.


Map of the incident on September 17 in Syria provided by the Russian defense ministry.
The Russian ministry said the Israelis must have known that the Russian plane was present in the area, but this did not stop them from executing “the provocation.” Israel also failed to warn Russia about the planned operation in advance. The warning came just a minute before the attack started, which “did not leave time to move the Russian plane to a safe area,” the statement said.

The statement gives a larger death toll than earlier reports by the Russian military, which said there were 14 crew members on board the missing Il-20. It said a search and rescue operation for the shot-down plane is underway.


The Russian military says an Israeli raid on Syria triggered a chain of events that led to its Il-20 plane being shot down by a Syrian S-200 surface-to-air missile. Moscow reserves the right to respond accordingly.



https://www.rt.com/news/438686-syria-russia-s200-il20/

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Oh this is brilliant... I think only Israeli pilots could have pulled something like that off... How many times Russians need to be embarrassed like this before realizing that they just can't handle the Middle East... ? Thanks Trump...

Tremendously sad

 

Say wha? S-200 gone wrong?

 

I wonder if they will take out the Israeli air force.
They didn't take out the Turks.

But Israels done 200+ airstrikes recently and not against jihadi's.

I think Iron Dome should be great vs cruise missiles.

S 500? Shot down the planes as they take off. Close Israels airspace to itself.


What responses can they make?
Russia and Israel get on.

 

WHoopsies.... Syria shot down a Russian IL? At some point, giving folks advanced weapons must be rethought when they are used to bring down your own assets...

 

14 less russkie terrorists to murder more syrian civilians, what's not to cheer? Another kick in the face to putie the boy dog, would love to see it happen much more often until the russki dogs leave the mideast.

 

Number of Iranian proxies in Syria today -especially the ones around Damascus and Golan Heights- are already self-proclaimed "Jihadi" groups/factions, with proven links to Hezbollah of Lebanon. Judging only by the fact that many Israeli airstrikes are conducted within the proximity, I think they are more than likely bombing jihadis or jihadi related targets there.

 

Iran and Hezbollah are Jihadi?

That is world news indeed.

 

I hate when you miss the end quote - or act like it - and post within my post... Are you that old really?

 

If thats no news then you acknowledged it as fact. Then what's the point saying something absurd like: "Israels airstrikes recently are not against Jihadis" ?
You make no sense son.

 

Sorry, dad.

 

Israel is a terrorist state. And "Zionism" is the progenitor of "fascism".
The Jewish military is engaged exclusively in terror. This time they provoked a catastrophe with a Russian samollet. Earlier, Israeli pilots fired at the US ship.
For example, Israel attacked a US warship "Yuss Liberti", located in the international waters.
The Israeli Air Force watched Liberty for 8 hours, 9 times flying over the ship at a height of no more than 80 meters - at this altitude, pilots and sailors from the Liberty deck could wave each other's hands.
But then the Israelis attacked Liberty with missiles, cannons, torpedoes and napalm, killing 34 American sailors and wounding 174.
The Israeli attack lasted for 2 hours - as many Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. The air attack lasted about 25 minutes: 12 "Mirage" performed more than 30 attacks, using napalam, 30-mm guns and missiles, the ship received 821 holes.

Liberty after the attack




After the air attack, the naval - Israeli torpedo boats fired five torpedoes through the ship, one of them struck Liberty, having made a hole in the ship's 12x7.3 m body, 25 crew members were killed during the explosion. In addition, with the torpedo boats, the Israelis fired from the machine guns of American sailors who fought for the survivability of the ship and carried the wounded. Later, it was estimated that more than 3,000 bullets hit the Liberty.



"Liberty" was painted like an American warship, and on its frontal part was drawn his identification number, which determines his belonging to the US Navy.But Jews do not care. Zionists are obsessed with the desire to kill.

Now the Zionists have seized power in the United States.

 

Today, the Prime Minister of Israel called Putin. Netanyahu shamrock, humiliated and asked to forgive Israel for, as he put it, for accidental mistake. He said that the guilty will be punished ... and so on. As the protocol service writes, Putin pointed out violations of agreements on the part of Israel. I think the answer will be. As they write in the press, the no-fly zone over Syria is likely to be installed. And maybe there will be a number of other responses.

If we talk about the incident with Turkey (shot down Russian plane), then the answer was.
1. An obvious answer is diplomatic measures, measures of economic impact on Turkey and so on.
2. Not an obvious answer. I mean secret agreements (my guess). You can pay attention to the fact that after the downed aircraft, Turkey's foreign policy has changed radically. Both in the Syrian conflict and in the relations between Turkey and NATO. Also you can see a change in the relations between Turkey and the United States. In fact, Turkey's policy has changed, if not 180 degrees, then it is very noticeable. And this happened after a military incident with a Russian airplane. I think that we see the consequences of secret agreements, but is not coincidence coincidental. I do not believe in chance in political coincidental.

 

So in two separate incidents (first being Turkey downed the SU) the outcomes have favored Russia, therefore Russia must have managed to win diplomatically in the aftermath of both..? Hmmm... I think that's even beyond bullsh.t, it sounds more like out of the hands of a mere retard because after Russian SU was downed Russia has lost its ambassador to Turkey. He got killed live on TV. But was Karlov the only price Russia has paid? No. By losing Karlov Russia also lost a "balancing" promise to the US which was preventing Turks from intervening Syria militarily, meaning that Russia had to agree shutting air defenses that was keeping Turkish planes supporting troops in Al-Bab.

Russia did not win anything in Syria in association with downing of the SU, in fact has lost crucial grounds. Turks joined the game actively. They were dealing only with Iran before. After the incident they had to include Turkey in their plans. Turkey's foreign policy, just like many countries in different continents around the world (Philippines, Iraq, Germany, Italy, Hungary, India, Pakistan, South Africa, etc) had already been on the shift before the downin. If Russia had any in-depth understanding of the change in the world, they would not have allowed populist losers taking offices in Kremlin nor would they have been following a foreign policy that have lost ambassador"s" to many countries... So I don't expect nothing out of you when your country's foreign policy is lacking this much of vision... It's not your fault to be this superficial... It's your nation's vengeance mentality...

 

Clinton, Kerry and Obama couldn't have said it better.

Why do conservatives cheer on this liberal big government bullshit?

 

Yeah, that's why Obama withdrew in 2011, inviting revisionists to fill the gap right? Iran deal? Ignoring Ukraine?

 

My bad......

 

withdrew where?

 

Mid East

 

Comedy hour?

 

How silly! If the Russians couldn't handle the ME, it would have been carved up or under sharia law. You're just mad that the Russian troops will be in Idlib with Turkey, and watching over everything.

 

Lovely music, is it really Israeli? I mean the first one - but then the East is part of me.

 

The S-200 is not an advance weapons, and that is the problem. It goes back to the Soviet Union. Russia's advance missile defense is the S-400 and the US said it will sanction any nation buying them - like Turkey and India. Not that it has stopped them.

What Syria wants is the less advanced S-300, and Russia promised Netanyahu years ago that he will not supply Syria with them. According to Russia's defense ministry, had Assad had the S-300 the plane would not have been hit, since it would have been able to tell the difference between a jet and the Russian plane.

This is putting Putin in a spot, because the Russian people are angry with his mild attitude towards Israel - and yet, 30% of the people in Israel speak Russian, and many have dual citizenship, so he has to concern himself with their safety. Also unknown to many, he was partly raised by an elderly Jewish couple who shared an apartment with them, and he was treated like a grandson so there is a special bond.

Putin will probably leave the matter to his defense minister Shoigu, who said that Israel is to blame. I don't know how Putin can back down on being firm, without infuriating the Russian people.

 

They are not jihadi only the Sunnis are - or at least as far as I know. They are Shia and they do threaten Israel. They want to continue the fight and take back the Golan Heights - which isn't Israel's anyway. I believe this is why Russia is establishing posts between the two fighting factions and is using Chechnyan guards in Russian uniforms. Since the Chechnyans are Sunnis, they won't be a threat to Israel or to Syria - whose army consists mostly of Sunnis.

This shows that when you are nice to others, and treat them with an equal respect it can go a long way. Vladimir Putin went against most in his government when he trusted Kadyrov's father, and rebuilt Grozny and gave Chechnya a certain amount of independence. He said it was a hard thing to do at the time, but today Russia is benefitting from the Chechnyan gratitude in Syria. I wouldn't be surprised if the Russian soldiers that will be monitoring and cleaning out Idlib of the terrorists together with the Turks will be Chechnyans.

 

A well thought out response. I appreciate that actually. My point wasn't that the S-200 was the most advanced, just that clearly, the tool was beyond the ability of the Syrians themselves to use effectively. Sometimes, the maturity level of the organization you're selling these platforms to just isn't able to actually handle using them. I'm always reminded of the Iranian Navy P3 incident that the Iranians thought was about to crash put the aircraft on auto pilot, everyone bailed out, and the plane flew on well into the Ural mountains of the Soviet Union, where it finally crashed into a mountain. Of course the plane wasn't about to crash, the pilots just didn't understand the lights that indicated that they hadn't retracted the flaps... perfectly good airplane flew another 1500 miles till it hit the mountain....

The interesting thing, to me, would be... do you think the Israelis were purposefully using the presence of the Russian IL to shield them from the missile platform??