Russian Tanks Cross Border Into Ukraine

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  1. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There has been a massive build up for days by Ukraine along the borders of Donetsk and Lugansk. Both Republics have asked Russia for help. In the meantime, Russia has deployed its entire fleet in the Mediterranean, Caspian and Black Sea. According to the Greek news, 150 tanks have crossed the border into Ukraine.

    Those tanks were INVITED in by the governing body of breakaway oblasts (states) of Donetsk and Luhansk, to protect the people there from Ukraine government troops, massed on the western borders of those two states.

    With the entry of Russian Army tanks today, it is now explicitly clear that Russia itself will militarily engage any troops trying to attack Luhansk and Donetsk. For its part, Ukraine intends to use force and NATO has oh-so-coincidentally begun military drills in the Black Sea and the countries surrounding Ukraine . . . . and just-so-happens to be in the exact spot needed to engage Russia when the fighting begins.
    https://halturnerradioshow.com/inde...ld/bulletin-tanks-have-now-crossed-the-border

    Russia is not only showing its teeth in Ukraine, but is responding in Syria as well.
    Su-34 aircraft and ballistic missiles fired from the Russian base in Hmeimim have reportedly hit positions of extremist Muslims on the border with Turkey.

    Russia reportedly used Iskander missiles, as well as Su-24 fighters, hitting a number of targets, mainly rebel fuel facilities that steal Syria's national wealth by selling oil to Turkey.

    https://www.pronews.gr/amyna-asfale...armata-mahis-proothoyntai-sto-ntonetsk-megali
     
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    By the same logic, we could have majority Spanish-speaking states or districts "giving permission" to La Raza to come in and fight against the state or county governments of the states they live in. Putin is using ethnic excuses to intervene in the sovereignty of national governments. If majority Russian-speakers want rule like they have in Russia, GO TO RUSSIA... problem sorted...

    As for Russia behaving like they can throw their weight around as and where they please, hopefully, some in their government understand that when they begin threatening the use of nukes, the whole world is going to take a VERY dim view of them and their leaders. Russia is rebuilding its military but it is still years away from the capacity to stand against the west, or even just the U.S. with a purely conventional force. So, when they inevitably push too far, their only fall-back will be a dangerous escalation with threats of using low-yield nukes. Nukes are nukes and when they are used by anyone, eventually they'll be used by everyone. Tick Tock... I wonder how this tribalism will be viewed by the few ragged survivors?
     
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    Esdraelon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do you have any other sources? I'm unfamiliar with these two and can find NO others.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have a better idea, since the East and South of the Ukraine was always part of Russia, and since the indigenous Russians constitute the majority in the fake made up nation of the Ukraine, why doesn't Nulands fascist junta in Kiev leave, since they can't live together.
     
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    Esdraelon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hey, your call. I just hope the world doesn't burn because Russian language speakers don't like their government...
    BTW, I seriously can't find any other source for this news. Since if true it is a really BIG deal for the world, can you cite another source, please?
     
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    The usual impeccable sources.

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    Russia must be destroyed. The sooner the better.
     
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    I suspect that the title of this thread is an exaggeration. I search for news about Donetsk and found not mention of a new invasions.
     
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    What's to prevent something like this from someday happening to the US, or other countries in Europe?

    The Ukraine is being fractured by ethnic and linguistic differences.


    To really understand what's happening now, you have to go back in time 70 years when the Soviets were intentionally moving people into other surrounding nations to divide and "Russify" them. (The idea being that when a quarter of the people in a neighboring country were Russian, it would be harder for that country to consolidate a sense of national identity and turn away from the main Soviet government based in Russia)
     
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    The Russian tanks just entered a few hours ago. It will be in the news tomorrow. Let me explain what's going on. The government in Kiev doesn't attack soldiers, they attack civilians to ethnically cleanse the area. They have massed Turkish jihadists along the border. If they get into Donetsk and Lugansk, it will be a massacre. Russia, to insure that the government will not touch them, handed out Russian citizenship to whoever asked for it.

    A peace agreement was signed at Minsk, but Kiev never followed it. They do not want the Republics to remain part of Ukraine unless they can ethnically cleanse them, because if they remain part of Ukraine, then the Russian speaking people will be in the majority and Nuland's junta will be kicked out.


    The minute Biden was
    inaugurated, the fighting restarted. This is why I hate him. I remember that whenever he visited Kiev, he would give Poroshenko money to spend only on arms, and the fighting would start the next day.
     
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    I have no respect for Biden, Nuland or anyone else who assisted the Tan Messiah with weakening my country. I wish a plague on them all but the situation in Ukraine BEGAN with Putin's move to "repatriate" Crimea because Russian speakers asked him to do so. By that standard, a LOT of countries could be at risk if Putin decides to "protect" the "rights" of those ethnic Russians who chose to live outside Russia.
     
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    The Russians weren't put in the Ukraine. The Ukraine was always part of the Russian Empire - or at least half of it was. The Russian people living on the lands are indigenous like the native Americans.

    When the Mongols invaded Russia, Poland took over the Ukraine. Later on when they tried to put the Orthodox under the Pope, half of the land rebelled and went back under the Tsar. As for the Soviet Union, they didn't believe in sovereign nations, so they created an administration called the Ukraine by taking a chunk of Russia, a part of Poland, a part of Hungary and some small parts of Romania and Czechoslovakia.

    Later on when the Soviet Union broke up, the administrations wanted their independence, but they didn't allow the people in the different areas to hold a referendum on what country they wanted to join.
     
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    It was common knowledge that Kiev was massing tanks and troops to the border of the free Republics, but it seemed like such a foolish move. I guess the Russians had intelligence that they really were going to invade the Donetsk and Lugansk republics so they had to move.

    Biden calling Vladimir Putin a killer was probably planned to demonize him, so it would look like Russia's invading rather than trying to protect the Russians there from a possible genocide.
     
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    This is one of many on the long lists of things that cause me to not rely on the government for my security. The elites (of any country) care only about expanding and consolidating their own power, NOT about protecting their people from war. Only the people are willing to protect the people from war, and the onus is therefore upon all of us to be prepared to do so, hopefully so that we never have to, but also, so that we can if we must.
     
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    Here's some more news from the Greek site. It's interesting how Turkey is involved, the way it was with Azerbiazan:

    Meanwhile, Ukrainian forces have today carried out heavy weapons bombardments in Donetsk, in a further deterioration of the already deteriorating situation.

    However, Ukrainian President Volodimir Zelenski is currently reluctant to sign the decree on a general attack on Donbass, knowing that the Russian response will be stormy.

    Turkey is involved with Ukraine and has 12 to 15 Turkish UAVs TB.2 Bayraktar with which it wants to launch a major offensive against the forces of the Donetsk and Lugansk Republic.

    "Everything will be judged by the weather," say Ukrainians who have Turkish advisers on the ground for the use of equipped UAVs.
     
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    Search for news regarding the DOJ rejection of the facts and evidence it received from the Lawyers Committee for 911 Truth a few years back, and you won't find that either, but it happened.

    The most effective form of propaganda is by omission. Very old news indeed sir. The American people 'know' only what its compromised media tells it.

    When everything the American people believe is false, we will know the success of our misinformation efforts.
     
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    Her source is Hal Turner, a known far-right propagandist and a convicted criminal.

    There are news about Russian tanks crossing into Ukraine. It happened in 2014.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Turner
    Turner's viewpoints typically encompass Holocaust denial, conspiracy theory, white supremacy, and have included calls for assassination of government officials. In August 2010, he was convicted for making threats against three federal judges with the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, for which he spent two years in prison.
     
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    I have to laugh, you can find news in the MSM about the non existent Russian tanks that supposedly entered Ukraine in 2014, and which almost sent Gen. Breedlove to a psychiatric ward for being delusional, but nothing about the tanks that entered yesterday in response to the bombardments and arms build up by Kiev.

    My source is a Greek Defense site which is not part of the MSM, so it's always been informative and accurate. I guess the government wants to keep the American people in the dark about what going on in the rest of the world. It's easier to control them that way I guess. Oh well, what else is new?




    Oh by the way in case you didn't know, Wikipedia like Google is part of the liberal propaganda networks.
     
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    Expect another wire of millions for Biden family members as a payoff.

    All these hypocrites acting tough and patriotic about Russia when Trump was in office and Putin can do almost anything he wants with libocrats in office. Of course these fake patriots like Brennan and Clapper and that idiot Max Boot will never call Biden a traitor.

    Biden wants foreign nationals voting in American elections and Putin can do whatever he wants. How nice. So when(Not if) will Russia be absorbing Georgia?
     
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    I would love some libocrat, liboturd to tell me how Trump demanding that NATO countries spend their fair share on national defense was helpful to Putin?
     
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    You quoted Hal Turner. The link it still there for all to see.

    As for your video above (from youtu.be) ........it shows tanks on a street, but no date, time or place. It could be anywhere on the planet at any time.

    Is that why you post stuff from Google platform?

    And no, the stuff about Hal Turner is very true. Ifs funny how you post conspiracy non-stop while calling everything you don't like a conspiracy or fake news.
     
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    I'm not liberal, but I'd like to hear a Re-pube-lican admit that Obama actually got NATO to commit to it.

    Trump got NATO to wonder if they can still count on the US if need be, and Putin was VERY happy about that.
     
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    You make a good point - antagonizing Russia has been a favorite sport of west for decades - and this continued under Trump.

    The more interesting thing to note about Trump's massive increase to the military spend here at home -and constant stumping for the need for more military preparedness - cause the boogieman is at our shores - is who this does help !?
     
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    There a lot things going on that we don't know. For instance here's some news from the Greek site.

    According to Turkish sources, the Russian Navy will conduct a real-fire exercise and missile launch in the eastern Mediterranean.

    Specifically off the coast of Syria at a fairly long distance, the Russian Navy will carry out shots between 01, 05, 06, 08, 13, 15, 20 and 22 April 2021.

    This is clearly a move with enormous meaning concerning the huge geopolitical confrontation between Moscow and Washington in all areas now.
    There's a lot going on in the Eastern Mediterranean, and there are a lot of provocations in other areas too. For example this among others:

    Russian Su-27 fighter jets have just intercepted two US B-1B strategic bombers over the Baltic Sea, attempting an (practice) attack mission in St Petersburg and Kaliningrad.
     
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    I used Turner as a reference because I'm not able to reference the Greek site. Frankly, I can't understand why you're attacking Turner's character for presenting the news? Is it because the revelation of what's going on, might not conform to the spins of the DC ideologues?

    Then fear not! Thirteen major news networks have now arrived in Donbass.


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